Questions for those holding an extreme KJVO position

This thread won't last long, especially when one pseudo-inspires the translators words over the very words of God.:laugh:

 

This is one of the better posts I have seen on the subject. No one on here is saying the KJV is not Inspired. I use the KJV for several things, especially reading along in church when the reader or pastor is using the KJV. Looking at it objectively, it seems the fights start from those who trash all other versions. My guess is that 90+% of those who start such threads do not have a clue about Hebrew, Greek, or the original manuscripts.

 

I am not what I would consider as an "extreme" KJVO in any stretch of the imagination. In fact, there aren't many of those left around here. They get banned quicker than any single group of posters. Granted, it was their disposition rather than their position that led to their demise.

That being said, the translators may not have understood that they were being providentially used by God to preserve His Word. It is the doctrine of preservation that causes us to conclude that the KJV is the Word of God for English speaking peoples. The Translators to the Readers is not on the same plane as inspired Scripture. Certainly what they penned for us should be of interest, but not to the degree that it equals the holy Scriptures. You see, their writing came from fallible men, whereas their translation came from an infallible God.

 

How is this not a claim for double inspiration that "their translation (the KJV) came from an infallible God."

 

It all depends on what you call a KJVO person. I am not KJVO, I concede people are going to use other versions. But I consider the KJV the standard, against which all other Bible translations must be compared. If the Bible in question? fails to compare to the standards of the KJV, it cannot be an accurate, trustworthy copy of Gods word.

As for being the Inspired word of God, it has to be, or at least you should believe it to be. God promised to preserve his word, do we feel he has failed?. Since the original manuscripts were written by the Apostles, inspired men of God, the copies of this word must also be considered inspired.

Are they 100% accurate, that depends. The Hebrew scribes considered every jot, and tittle had to match the original; or the copy was destroyed. The Hebrew and Greek did not contain the same, or were not as extensive in grammatical punctuations, as English is. So changing from the originals to English, and the subsequent editing for grammatical punctuations that went on until 1769, changed that of the original text (not to mention Hebrew and Greek words do not spell the same as English words). So no you cannot consider the AV text, to be 100% accurate to the original on that basis. But on the basis of accuracy to Gods word 100%.

 

Where did the KJV tell you to use it as a standard? Or are you admitting that you have a standard of truth outside the KJV that told you to use the KJV?

This is not true. The Hebrew text is not as uniform as many think it is. Nor is textual criticism nearly the same in Hebrew as in Greek.

So you are saying that the original was not 100% accurate? Or that two different things can be 100% accurate? Please explain.

 

Please don't piddle with what I said, read it in its full context. You just don't pull, partial statements out of context to discuss. That's what politicians do, and we all know what big liars they are.

 

Therefore, it is not found in the pages of the KJV Bible -- but a theory which all true Christians who own English as their native language must accept lock, stock and barrel.

 

Mr. Miles Smith's forward is diametrically against the KJVO position. KJVO proponents do not want that forward in the hands of their people.

Did the NIV come from an infallible God?

 

I read your statement in its full context. Rather than pick it apart, which I could have done, I asked a few simple questions to elicit an explanation from you about what you believe. Don't insinuate I am a liar. Just answer the questions.

 

What is going on with the thread similar to this about Titus 3:10 and the heretics?

 

I did not insinuate you were a liar. I said that is the way of Politicians and Lawyers, when trying to trip someone up.

Now as to what I said, I went over it several times to be sure! it was an accurate reflection of my feelings. And even to someone as stupid as I am, it seemed to be pretty clear.

So I don't see it needs any further explanation??.

 

Okay, but you said that what I allegedly did was what politicians do and we know they are liars. That seemed an insinuation.

It may be an accurate reflection of your feelings, but I am interested in what you believe, how you came to your beliefs, and some of the implications of those beliefs. If all we need are feelings, then the Word matters not anyway.

So I would appreciate some interaction with the questions I asked in order to clarify in my mind exactly what you believe. I don't want to falsely accuse you or pigeonhole you with something you dont' believe.

 

Have you ever walked a road so many times, that you don't want to walk it anymore, because you know where it goes.? Well that's! how I feel about this one.

As far as that goes, I prefer the KJV Bible, and believe it to be the inspired word of God. As for how you feel about your Bible, well that's up to you.

 

Samuel, You need to realize that some things you said have some implications that are pretty serious. If you position is simply that prefer the KJV, that is one thing, but some of the things you said leave the door open for more, which is why I asked.

 

I fail to understand why this issue causes such a uproar. You all arguing about the KJV and the other translations ought to thank God that you have anything to read in English. It sounds like a bunch of kindergarten kids. "My version is right, no my version is right." As I pointed out in the thread about Titus 3:10 (which disappeared), why do so many harp on the 1611 version. There were many versions over many years before that. Dr. Bob IMO has this whole issue right. Personally, I use KJV for following readings at church, and either NKJV or NIV for study. That is just me.

There are countries where people would die for a copy of the Bible period, and here we are ripping each other apart over wording. A real class act.

 

You ever heard the little saying, my dogs bigger than your dog.? That is what applies to the uproar.

I don't know? but to have an argument, you have to have two contesting sides. Since I have not contested anything, having only made a simple statement, I see no arguement.