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Old 05-12-2011, 09:37 PM
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Default Why Primitive Baptist and Old regular baptist don't use instrumental music

Over in another thread the question was asked:

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please explain why the Primitive Baptist Still Forbid even a piano in their churches. They sign, but without music.
I'm not Primitive Baptist but I can answer the question. I am an Old Regular Baptist and we have the same belief in using no instrumental music as the Primitives. No where in the NT is the use of instrumental music used in worship. Please read the following from one of the Primitive Baptist brothers:

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The Scriptural Record

The following list includes every reference to the type of music which the early New Testament church used in worship to God. An examination of these Scriptures make plain the kind of music which God designed for His church.

1) And when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the Mt. of Olives - Matt 26:30; Mark 14:26.

2) And at midnight Paul and Silas prayed, and sang praises unto God - Acts 16:25.

3) For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name - Romans 15:9.

4) I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also - 1Cor 14:15.

5) Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord - Eph 5:19.

6) Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord - Col 3:16.

7) In the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee - Heb 2:12.

8) Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms - James 5:13.

Conclusions Drawn from Consideration of the Scriptures

Where in the inspired record of the New Testament church is there found a single reference authorizing instrumental music in worship? Nowhere! The most careful, meticulous investigation of the New Testament will not produce a single word in favor of this practice. One may search the New Testament in vain for either command, example, or inference for the use of musical instruments in worship service.

The Lord's church is a New Testament institution, and the New Testament tells the items of worship the Lord put in it. It has been shown that the New testament is silent concerning instrumental music in the worship. It is evident that those who do use musical instruments in the worship service do without Scriptural authority.

When Christ ascended back into heaven, the Holy Spirit undertook to guide the disciples of Christ in their activities of worship (John 16:13). The Spirit guided the apostles into singing and into exhorting others to sing, but the Spirit never guided the apostles into performing upon instruments in worship or into exhorting others to do so.
The entire article on why instrumental music is not used can be found here.
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In the Psalms, we are told to praise the Lord with stringed instruments, cymbals, etc..

True there is no command to use musical instruments in the New Testament, but on the same token, there is no command NOT to use stringed instruments.

Paul told Timothy that

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. (2 Timothy 3:16-17)

Psalms are part of Scripture, and therefore can be used for instruction in righteousness.

So, in light of the fact that we are told to use musical instruments, it is clear that when we don't, we are in disobedience to God's Word.
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The Scriptural Record

The following list includes every reference to the type of music which the early New Testament church used in worship to God. . . .

5) Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord - Eph 5:19.

6) Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord - Col 3:16. . . .

8) Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms - James 5:13.
Also I Cor. 14:26 ("when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm")

I wonder do the Primitives sing the Psalms?

You know the ones that exult about praising the Lord with harp and psaltery, trumpet and cymbals.

How awkward is that?
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The history forum is not a debate forum... I was answering a question posed... I am not attacking anyone's way of worship....It is obvious that you did not read the article...You need to take heed to your signature line....
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Merely pointing out a fact that is backed by Scripture.

And I was pointing out that fact in love, so I was in line with my signature
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The history forum is not a debate forum... I was answering a question posed... I am not attacking anyone's way of worship....It is obvious that you did not read the article...You need to take heed to your signature line....
That is correct. However, I don't see how the topic (as it is posed here) can keep from engendering debate.

The topic is worthy of consideration, so I am moving it to the theology forum.
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That is correct. However, I don't see how the topic (as it is posed here) can keep from engendering debate.

The topic is worthy of consideration, so I am moving it to the theology forum.
I had no intent on this becoming a debate I was simply answering a question posed in another thread. I will not get involved in debate over this.
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I had no intent on this becoming a debate I was simply answering a question posed in another thread. I will not get involved in debate over this.
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Also I Cor. 14:26 ("when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm")

I wonder do the Primitives sing the Psalms?

You know the ones that exult about praising the Lord with harp and psaltery, trumpet and cymbals.

How awkward is that?

Yup, an excellent question.
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Over in another thread the question was asked:



I'm not Primitive Baptist but I can answer the question. I am an Old Regular Baptist and we have the same belief in using no instrumental music as the Primitives. No where in the NT is the use of instrumental music used in worship. Please read the following from one of the Primitive Baptist brothers:



The entire article on why instrumental music is not used can be found here.
I am not debting this but have a question. This seems close to the Church of Chrsit belief also, what are the differences in doctrine betwwen the Primitve, Okld Union and C of C?
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