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Old 05-31-2012, 05:17 PM
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Default Did the Virgin mary REALLY Appear At fatima?

or was it demonic in Origin?
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or was it demonic in Origin?
Did Jesus appear in the shower??

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or was it demonic in Origin?
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Lev. 16:22 And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness.
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You didn't see Him in the mold? People will swallow just about anything, won't they?
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Jer. 50:20 In those days, and in that time, saith the Lord, the iniquity of Israel shall be sought for, and there shall be none; and the sins of Judah, and they shall not be found: for I will pardon them whom I reserve.

Lev. 16:22 And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness.
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Did Jesus really appear to St Paul?
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Old 05-31-2012, 07:29 PM
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Only the three children saw the BVM. The miracle witnessed by 70,000 people was the spinning and dancing of the sun. It happened on October 13, 1917, about noon. It had been raining hard all morning and the ground was soaked as were the people's clothing. When the sun stopped its gyrations, both the ground and the people's clothing were completely dry. This phenomenon is well documented by secular sources in much the same way as the mysterious explosion over Siberia in 1908.

As for the children, when they were interviewed after the first couple of appearances to them by the BVM, they had knowledge of theological principles held only by well educated adults.
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Old 05-31-2012, 07:44 PM
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Those three did not see the mother of Jesus. They saw a demonic apparition that called itself Mary.

If one examines the stories of those three, one will find that the apparition sought worship and adoration for herself, making promises that if she were worshiped, adored and prayed to she would keep people from hell and deliver them from purgatory.

The only thing that will keep a person from hell is faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. One can call on Mary from now until the end of time and it will do no good whatsoever. There is only one mediator between God and man... the Lord Jesus Christ.
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Among other things the lady taught the children was a prayer which has come to be known as the Fatima Prayer. It is usually recited following each decade of the rosary: "Oh my Jesus, forgive us our sins. Save us from the fires of Hell. Lead all souls to Heaven, especially those in most need of Thy mercy."
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The Virgin Mary has appeared to no one! The so-called multitude of appearances by Mary is just part of the effort by some of the RCC to deify Mary!

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Cardinal O'connor Backs 'Holy Quartet'

BY FRANK LOMBARDI
Tuesday, August 19, 1997
Cardinal O'Connor has given tacit support to a controversial movement within the Catholic Church to elevate the Virgin Mary to equal status with Jesus Christ as the Redeemer for mankind's salvation.

The proposed new dogma would expand the concept of the Holy Trinity, the guiding precept of the Catholic faith that there is one God in three "persons" the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit.

As described in the cover story in the current Newsweek, "there would be a kind of Holy Quartet, with Mary playing the multiple roles of daughter of the Father, mother of the Son and spouse of the Holy Spirit."

http://articles.nydailynews.com/1997...o-connor-papal

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1964-NOV-21: The Chapter 8 of the Dogmatic Constitution of the Church, passed by the Vatican Council II, and "Solemnly promulgated by Holiness Pope Paul VI" states, in part:

"Rightly, therefore, the Fathers see Mary not merely as passively engaged by God, but as freely cooperating in the work of man’s salvation through faith and obedience. For as St. Irenaeus says, she being obedient, became the cause of salvation for herself and for the whole human race. Hence not a few of the early Fathers gladly assert with him in their preaching ...'death through Eve, life through Mary.' This union of the mother with the son in the work of salvation is made manifest from the time of Christ’s virginal conception up to his death"

"Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation. By her maternal charity, she cares for the brethren of her Son, who still journey on earth surrounded by dangers and difficulties, until they are led into their blessed home. Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress and Mediatrix."

"...the Blessed Virgin is invoked by the Church under the titles of Advocate, Auxiliatrix, Adjutrix, and Mediatrix. This, however, is to be so understood that it neither takes away from nor adds anything to the dignity and efficaciousness of Christ the one Mediator."

"For no creature could ever be counted as equal with the Incarnate Word and Redeemer. Just as the priesthood of Christ is shared in various ways both by the ministers and by the faithful, and as the one goodness of God is really communicated in different ways to His creatures, so also the unique mediation of the Redeemer does not exclude but rather gives rise to a manifold cooperation which is but a sharing in this one source." (Footnotes deleted)


1985: Pope John Paul II recognized Mary as co-redemptrix" during a speech in Guayaquil, Ecuador. He said, in part, "Having suffered for the Church, Mary deserved to become the Mother of all the disciples of her Son, the Mother of their unity...In fact Mary’s role as Co-redemptrix did not cease with the glorification of her Son."

1997-APR-9: During an audience Pope John-Paul II referred to the role of Mary during the crucifixion of Jesus: "Mary … co-operated during the event itself and in the role of mother; thus her co-operation embraces the whole of Christ’s saving work. She alone was associated in this way with the redemptive sacrifice that merited the salvation of all mankind. In union with Christ and in submission to him, she collaborated in obtaining the grace of salvation for all humanity...In God’s plan, Mary is the ‘woman’ (cf. John 2:4; John 19:26), the New Eve, united to the New Adam in restoring humanity to its original dignity. Her cooperation with her Son continues for all time in the universal motherhood which she enjoys in the order of grace. Trusting in this maternal cooperation, let us turn to Mary, imploring her help in all our needs."

Petition drive to promote an infallible statement:

Professor Mark Miravalle of Franciscan University in Steubenville, OH, initiated a formal petition drive in 1993 during a Marian conference at that university. It asks the Pope to make infallible statement that would officially elevate Mary, the mother of Jesus, to the status of co-redeemer. More than six million signatures from 148 countries have reached the Vatican as of the end of the year 2000, asking that Pope John Paul II infallibly declare a new dogma: "That the Virgin Mary is a co-redeemer with Jesus and co-operates fully with her son in the redemption of humanity." If this were done, "she would be a vastly more powerful figure, something close to the fourth member of the Holy Trinity and the primary female face through which Christians experience the divine." 3 Miravalle's petition has received support from Mother Theresa, 550 bishops, Cardinal John O'Connor and 41 other cardinals (including at least 12 cardinals in Rome). If the dogma is declared infallibly, it would pronounce Mary as "Co-Redemptrix [co-redeemer], Mediatrix [mediator] of All Graces, and Advocate for the People of God." It would require all Roman Catholics to believe that:

1. Mary is co-redemptrix with Jesus. She participates in people's redemption.

2. Mary is mediatrix and has the power to grant all graces.

3. Mary is the advocate for the people of God and has the authority to influence God's judgments.


http://www.religioustolerance.org/mary_cor.htm
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