‘The Most Dangerous Place for an African-American is in the Womb!’

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  1. carpro

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    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/alveda-king-removal-pro-life-nyc-billboa

    Alveda King: ‘The Most Dangerous Place for an African-American is in the Womb!’

    Friday, February 25, 2011
    By Penny Starr


    (CNSNews.com) – Pro-life activist Alveda King reacted to the removal on Friday of a billboard advertisement in Manhattan that featured a black girl and the statement “the most dangerous place for an African American is in the womb.”

    “It is an outrageous act of censorship that this billboard was taken down,” King said. “This billboard should be posted in every city of the country.

    The billboard message’s placement comes in the wake of a report released last month by the New York City Department of Health that revealed an abortion rate of 41 percent of all pregnancies in the city in 2009 -- with 59.8 percent of those to African-American women.
     
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    The liberal media shows all do documentaries on many differing social agendas, but they will never air the truth of Planned Parenthood and Margaret Sanger. I can only believe blacks remain liberal/Democratic because they aren't aware of the attrocities of Planned Parenthood. God help us all.
     
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    It's interesting in the interviews that people felt it was racist and offensive. Yet it is the truth and that fact doesn't seem to bother people?
     
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    Yup. The people telling the truth, and wanting to stop something awful get treated like the bad guys. It's almost like good is being called evil, and evil, good.
     
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    Because (as we have even seen here), people like to tell the "truth" about other groups (NEVER their own group; the statistical facts ALWAYS speak against the other group; so what is that supposed to imply?), and it not only comes across as self-righteousness; it's often apart of a broader judgment of the people. (Like all they want is our money, "something for nothing", etc).
    So it doesn't look like they really care about the unborn, or the race. It just looks like self-serving patronizing.

    (The Bell Curve was but another of those statistical "facts" that "the liberals" had "refused" to accept "the ugly truth" of. Since that was before the BB came to be, it would have been interesting to see how we would have handled that!)

    Again, the real battle is against the liberals, but a whole race group should not be thrown up like a poster child for all the evils of that political wing, (even if you think they wrongfully defected to them, and it's doing them no good). Again, how do people realistically expect anyone to respond to this?
     
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    It's a straight news story. No comment is necessary unless you can refute the facts of the story.

    So if it gives you that much of a problem, just don't respond.
     
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    Only in the world of the leftists would opposing abortions for Black children be more offensive than actually killing those precious Black children.
     
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    So Eric, are you bothered by the number of African-American children murdered in the womb? Or does it not bother you?

    And if you are bothered by it, why is this campaign offensive to you? If it saves the lives of children, isn't that a good thing?

    I cannot imagine why this campaign would be offensive. Especially considering what kind of trash passes for advertsigng for purely profit-driven causes.
     
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    I think what I said clearly explained by it is offensive.

    -people like to tell the "truth" about other groups (NEVER their own group; the statistical facts [somehow] ALWAYS speak against the other group; in these topics

    -[so] it...comes across as self-righteousness

    -it's often apart of a broader judgment of the people, which is usually very false from terrible overgeneralization. (when these topics are brought up, we hear a whole bunch of other stuff, such as all their "dysfunctional behavior", the whole group votes just to get "something for nothing", etc)

    -the real battle is against a totally separate group from the one in question (the liberals or Democrats), thus the whole race group is essentially being used as a poster child for all the evils of that political party

    -So it doesn't look like they really care about the unborn, or the race.It just looks like self-serving patronizing.


    Don't you see why all of that would be offensive, even if it has some kind of "truth" or "legitimate concern" behind it? for one thing, who is this group posting this billboard? Have they established any rapport in the community they are trying to correct, or it is it just part of some political move? Who wants their problems used for someone else's political games? (Again, even if the Democrats did simply do the same thing, at least they pretended to be more concerned about the community).

    Do you see any other groups correcting another group without it turning into a nasty fight? "the most dangerous place for _____ children is in their mother's womb? (like "what monsters!") Who else is saying anything like that? Would you want any other group to be doing that to your group? (Many have long claimed claim that people are, and that it's wrong).

    I think, until we get the remnants of this race resentment resolved, it is better not for one race to try to "correct" another race.
    And that does go for the other side too. I do get annoyed when I see blacks paint "whites" as something (I hear people mention stuff like "attitude"), for it is a distraction from the real issue at hand. It was a past institution, and a few people today that did evil; not a whole group. You all certainly don't like when some do that to you, but it doesn't suddenly become OK to harp on race just because you found some statistical number.

    (This thread right here should show the folly of painting groups based on statistics: http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=70252&highlight=Barna
    It ignores other factors, such as, in this case, the fact that most of those polled as "evangelicals" are probably nominals, and do not represent true born-again evangelicals
    ).

    It is totally fruitless. Think about it. What do you really expect to accomplish with this? You always say "just stating facts", but it must have some other purpose to it.
    You're not going to "save" any children this way. All you're going to end up doing is getting more annoyed when the group doesn't listen to you, and that will just be the trigger for more "look at those people; they won't get better" rants (or "who needs 'em if they won't wise up" like one said).

    You cannot get a whole group of people to change some [supposed] collective behavior, because for one thing, a group is an abstract entity (that does not even completely represent everyone placed in that group), and it consists of individuals, and those are the only entities that can directly change their behavior, and even then, in this sinful world, you are not going to get a lot of people to change as it is.

    So yes, abortion is horrible, but it's not only bad for one race, or "worse" because of race. And Christians have long fought abortion, regardless of race. So there's no need to throw that in as some sort of additional ammunition against the left.

    Whatever the solution will be, this is a problem that armchair moralizing along the lines of racial groups (or political parties) is not going to fix. It's not a race's fault; it's sin, which is common to all of man, though manifesting in slightly different ways (with perhaps a greater focus on certain sins) in particular groups.
     
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    The abortion industry preys on what the left refers to in many circumstances as disadvantaged. This most certainly includes the black community. In fact it appears they are the most effected. The left would, in any circumstance they were in favor of, use this as an opportunity to cry racism. But here we see a double standard that the left is so well known for.
     
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    I haven't read all of Eric B's essays in this thread, but I guess I'm inclinded to agree with what I believe his point is. Abortion isn't a majority black problem. Over 50% of the abortions in the US are on white babies. I don't have any problem with this campaign, considering that in NY City a majority of abortions are on black children. I do think that other cities would benefit from this type of campaign. Billboards indicating that abortion is the most dangerous thing for white children would be fine with me.
     
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    All of which goes to say that you cannot refute the facts of the story.

    I think you could have said it all in just a couple of sentences. :tonofbricks:
     
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    That may be true, but it's the motives of the right that are being questioned by the black community that opposed this. (And then of course, Sharpton jumps into it). They might mostly be Democrats (but many are suspicious of or disillusioned with even them), but the people themselves (other than Sharpton, et al) are not all opposing it for purely political reasons.
    I don't think anyone ever set out to "refute" any "facts". That's just a straw man you keep using as a counterattack.
    What most people who oppose this usually are doing is spending the time trying to explain why these numbers are high. Or now, in my case, why people react the way they do. Oh, but then that always ends up being accused by you of "blaming someone else".

    So what you end up with is these people who have all these "problems" and "blame" and with no explainable cause. It "just is", since "the facts" don't lie. And not much solution is offered either. Just hit people with "facts" as if that will magically change the situation.

    But that still does not explain why it's this group of people being implicated in these things all the time.
    That's where the people's suspicions lie. What do these "facts" really mean in the overall big picture; especially when some people keep shouting them so much?
    That's what the question behind the opposition is.
     
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    Who is questioning the motives of the right? Alveda King ( a black woman) said this sign needed to be kept up "because of the truth it reveals". Not sure where you are coming from.
     
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    In fact, she served in the Georgia House of Representatives as a Democrat and she supported Jesse Jackson's run for President.
     
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    I'm thinking of the people you see interviewed in the NYC news programs and papers. (The linked article mentions only Sharpton and pro-abortion groups).
     
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    They always question the motives of everyone that opposes their views. They have no credibility so they turn to their only alternative. Who cares what they think?
     
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    Eric B. You are avoiding the issue. You stated:

    It's been clearly shown that the person taking the lead in this is a black woman, a democrat, and one that supported Jesse Jackson for President. What say ye?
     
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    Again, as I had said above, the community itself (other than Sharpton, et al who are acting politically) are not all opposing it for purely political reasons.
    So it's not about any "views" being opposed. I don't think any of them has some view that abortion is OK and should never be questioned. In fact, in one of the other threads, I had linked to something that pointed out how relatively conservative (morally at least) the black community is.

    Again, the issue is not whether there is any truth to the abortion problem. What I've been saying, is precisely that any "group criticism" should come from within the group. Just like Cosby.
    While many people might still not listen much to this either, it does carry what is known as confianza. It's more like an "extended self" criticism, rather than someone pointing at someone else, they are totally separate from.

    It's the external group-based criticism, by a movement that seems to still think of the community as overall, particularly "problematic", and lazy and trying to get something for nothing and the rest of that stuff, that becomes suspect. It is too easy to do that with someone else's problem.
    And people try to excuse this by saying that the black community's problem is that they don't have anyone internally trying to correct them, but this lady, Cosby, etc. show that is not true. So let her say that, and give the people some credit for trying to correct themselves. I have no problem with it.
     
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    You are all over the place.
     
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