‘The Most Dangerous Place for an African-American is in the Womb!’

I was extremely straight-forward in my replies.

For your new question, that's as logical as me insisting you answer the well-known question posed in reply to those who give a responding party only two choices when either answer would not truly represent the other party's position. That question is "do you still beat your spouse? Answer only yes or no."
I won't ask you that because it implies you either used to beat your spouse or you still do.
Same as you shouldn't put out two unjust options with no other choice and do a victory dance when the person won't answer. All it shows is that you're a bad dancer who can't pick a good tune.

 

So I see you're going to quibble over rhetorical statements...
You seem to agree with it, so it can be considered "yours" in a collective sense. It wasn't even addressed just to you.

It's not about clarifying my point; you accused me of derailing the thread, and I'm showing what was helping derail the thread.

Who ever said it was just the white community? The white community is not the one being lumped all together in sweeping statements like that.

Responding to someone accusing me of "the most ridiculous, vacuous reasoning", with key words changed to something I did not say, and that response is "nasty"?

You forget about the three in the "Politics" section, including this one started by you!: http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=70187
(you didn't address blacks, but it quickly veered into that, before I even got there!)

That's called EMPHASIS. And it's nothing compared to some of the emotions others display at times.

Uhh, I see the word "FACTS" thrown around a lot. What we're saying is called "excuses" because we're supposedly denying FACTS; not "opinions". Have you even been paying attention to what is going on?
Facts and opinions are the total opposite. If people simply said "this is my opinion, I would probably net even bother.

In that immediate context, Gina and I.
Generally, anyone who tries to respond to this crowd, and doesn't accept what they consider "facts".

You need to go back and read through these threads! If it was not being made one group's exclusive problem, then why are we arguing over this same group, with these almighty "numbers" tossed about?

I addressed this a few times, saying that the problem in that claim would be the liberals (notice; no denial of the premise you are citing!), yet people are using the blacks as sort of "pawns" in these political attacks against the liberals. And also, there does appear to be anger directed at blacks, especially regarding them supposedly all supporting the liberals for some sort of political favors that are presumably taking away from everyone else or decreasing the morality and quality of life.
Since race is still a touchy issue; keep the race group out of this stupid partisan wrangling. We all seem to agree the politicians are serving their own interests first, so they're who are to blame.

 

I am here because of the following:

1. I am a member of this board

2. The subject caught my interest

3. I saw Eric's post, agreed, and voiced it

4. You jumped on me like a starving wolf on a bunny and my lucky rabbit's foot failed to knock you away and you continue hanging onto my heel. Such dedication is impressive. You only take a few minutes of my time and seem to get so much fuel from it that I'd feel bad taking that away. Quite honestly, this conversation was over a long time ago, the questions dealt with, and all that's left is for you to deal with that. I know you don't want to, but it's okay. You can let go now. You've not managed to changed my mind.

I will continue to feel as if our main concern should be trying to stop abortion. This can be done by changing hearts. Teach people to respect life. All people. All life.

I'm slightly sorry you feel as if I offered nothing, but for the sake of saying I never tried, let me ask you to repeat after me:

"My main concern about abortion is to stop abortion. This can be done by changing hearts. I will do my best to teach people to respect life. All people. All life."

 

This is where it becomes so difficult to engage in productive dialogue with you. Criticism of someone different than us suddenly becomes a vile attack on everyone in that group.

Good grief. This was an ad campaign, targeted at black folks, to encourage them to choose life.

And you're against it.

Sheesh.

 

Excellent posts on this subject, friend.

Unfortunately a lot of people don't quite understand the economy of change in the Kingdom of heaven. Heart change is the ultimate goal.

 

Thank you jaigner. I like the way you phrased that. "the economy of change in the Kingdom of heaven." Gonna have to use that now!

Excellent. Last night I told my husband that I'd pretty much given up, but I see a glimmer of hope here for you to understand what I've been trying to get across. You listed three things to recognize.

1. Recognize there is a problem.
I agree completely. The problem is abortion.

2. Identify the causes.
I have. The causes are hearts that need the understanding, love, and compassion that only God can put into them, lack of recognition of life, and lack of respect for life.

3. Attack the fundamental cause to correct the problem.

YES! This can be done by This can be done by changing hearts. Teach people to respect life. All people. All life.

That is the big picture. Focus on that and everyone can save lives no matter what color the potential victim may or may not be according to statistics, and right now there are many many victims of every color and race.

Do you know that you can teach English to a classroom of people who speak 5 other languages as a first language? Some have never had to place their tongues in certain positions. Some have learned polluted English. Some can sight-read a bit but do not know phonics.
The problem and the goal is the same for all of them and we do not separate them into different classes and the message remains unaltered no matter who they are, where they came from, and why they are there.

I don't think I can explain my position any further. I hope you understand it now.

Channel that frustration. :smilewinkgrin:

 

So Gina, targeted ad campaigns can't be a part of the plan? Says who?

 

And you're getting hung up on explaining 2 and even getting to what 3 is. (Then it registers to in your mind that we have not even addressed point 1) But I guess rbell says that the ad campaigns are #3. (Below).

The problem here is a matter basically, of trust. Criticism of other groups would not be as much of a problem, if it wasn't already such a historical sore spot. And that's on BOTH sides.
Not only do many blacks still remember being called "inferior" (so any group "criticism" sounds suspicious), but now white conservatives themselves still feel unfairly punished for it, and as we see, you're the ones constantly crying "race card! unfair"!
So the question, once again, is why do you then get to play the card when it suits you?
You want to come out and scold another race, but you yourself (the group) seem to still be uptight about the issue yourselves. It's basically someone in a soapbubble film house throwing boulders!

The attitude seem to be "because when we do it, we're right; we have the facts to prove it; when you do it, you're wrong; you're just deceived by the liberals and trying to wrongfully take something from us"

THIS is what the problem is.
And we see the broad overgeneralized stuff people continue to say about the whole race.

So not only does it sound suspicious; it looks suspicious!

Calling the entire race's wombs "dangerous"? Sorry, but you have to find a better way to put things than that. That's an attack on the people (including those not having abortions), not the problem. And if you can't even tell the difference, then that's why you will not be trusted to make such critiques.
But it seems like in your "solutions", anything goes, and some of the other stuff being said seems to indicate belief that the entire people as a group have forfeited the basic respect you and every other human expects. (i.e. you wouldn't like someone to make a remark about whites like that, regardless of how much "truth" is in it; and you get offended at far less).

 

Carpro & RBell, the two of you have been great. Thank you for trying.

 

You bet.

Usually, I'm very trying. Eric would probably concur. :saint:

 

This thread is one good example of why there will never be harmony among the races this side of eternity!:BangHead:

I s'pose it's the same reason(?) that blacks (not every one - just a disclaimer here) refuse to acknowledge their bros. who have succeeded W/O constantly sucking at the gov. teat, IE: Walter Williams, Clarence Thomas, Bill Cosby, and the new one that I don't remember his name, but recently said he was going to form an exploratory committee for a possible run for POTUS.

The reason(?) - any conflict that involves a white and a black - regardless of the situation - is AUTOMATICALLY BECAUSE THE WHITE IS RACIST!! And though your skin may be black, if you don't subscribe to this tenet, well, you aren't really black. (Just ask JJ if you don't believe it.)

From the article -

And this from a black, but this thread declares the poster of the OP racist for referencing this article.

Nope, there are always gonna be those who cry racism regardless!!! More's the pity, cause if these types would just shut up, most of this problem would be eliminated.:BangHead:

 

I don't recall anyone saying they can't. I do recall alluding to the fact that in this situation, the who, what, and why should not have been done. The person who did it claims he did it to start controversy so the issue would be discussed.
He was successful in that.
However, he failed in that he used wrong in an attempt to do right. That never turns out well and is the opposite of what a Christian should do when faced with wrong.

A Christian should try to change hearts. Teach people to respect life. All people. All life.

 

Obviously, on the grandest of the issues (pro-life vs. pro-abortion, the fact that this is ultimately a spiritual issue, etc.), we agree.

We are simply not going to agree on the issues regarding this case. It's my contention that this campaign does not violate your words I have quoted from you above. You say, I'm assuming, that it does.

Guess we'll agree to disagree. I do think we share more common ground than Eric and I.

When political correctness overtakes the prophetic mandate in the heart and mind of a believer, there will always be victims, and ultimately there will always be judgment. And in this case, the victims are the most defenseless among us. That's why I'm so passionate about it...and that's why I simply can not and will not agree with Eric as to who has the "right" to criticize others when God's just standards are being wantonly trampled.