1 Cor 11:4-10. Headcovering for women!

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  1. Felix

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    Hello everyone,

    This question recently came up in our class and I am curious to see how other believers interpret this passage. Most importantly:
    1. Does the argument of 'cultural relativity' stand its test of Scripture and if it does, how/why?
    2. Just what exactly 'because of the angels' mean?

    Your insights will be greatly appreciated!
    Thanks
    Felix
     
  2. Headcoveredlady

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    Dear Brother in Christ,
    I am a born again Christian lady who has been wearing a headship veiling for three years. I want to tell you that the Lord has blessed me in many ways for obeying *this* part of His Word.

    To be honest headship, which is the underlying principle is never cultural, but is eternal. That is why I and many other sisters in Christ practice wearing the headship veiling today in 2003! Nothing in the text talks about culture.

    About verse 10, brother I want to tell you that there is spiritual protection to those who practice wearing the headship veiling, that I would never, ever be willing to give up.

    Brother, the angels cannot see the heart, but they require a SIGN.

    Here is a great link that may be helpful to you:
    http://www.crossover.ellison.net/HeadcoveringIntro.htm

    From the above:
    "Cultural collision
    Can you imagine anything more antithetical to our culture than a woman wearing a headcovering as a symbol of submission? Independence, assertiveness training, feminism, women’s rights – these are the objectives the modern woman has struggled to obtain, has defined over and over, has celebrated in college courses and career workshops, and has buttressed with political action. We can't imagine a woman choosing to submit to her husband, a mere mortal who is full of weaknesses, and saying that she likes it. That’s enough to make us splutter, gasp, and choke (at least inwardly). What are you doing? Take off that thing! This is unconscionable. Rude. We were united in working for these rights, remember? All women feel this way. Don’t be the oddball woman who slips from the ranks and says, "No thanks” to all that progress. If you have to do it, do it in the privacy of your own home. Just don’t wear that symbol out in public. It’s inflammatory!





    A headcovering? What in the world is it?

    What is this thing called a headcovering that godly women have worn for centuries and that some modern Christian women are beginning to wear today? Why do they wear it? Is it supposed to be worn at church, or all the time? Is her hair a covering, or is the New Testament headcovering worn over the hair? Is it an actual piece of fabric? Wasn’t it just a cultural thing for back then? Isn’t it legalistic to wear one? These questions are beginning to heave in the chests of many sobered Christian women as they view the hopeless carnage in American homes – including many churchgoing families."
     
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    Russell55, excellent article. I read that years ago and saw the four main arguments.

    The cultural argument is by far the weakest.

    I take the position that the kind of covering is cultural but a covering nonetheless is mandatory.

    So Paul was teaching an outward symbol of authority. In the 1st century, it was a particular kind of covering - a veil of sort.

    HCL, the Lord is blessing your desire to obey him.

    My church has about half of our women wearing veils.

    My wife and I have talked about it. She is not opposed to it and neither am I. She just doesn't because that is not the symbol I desire that she have.

    A woman who wears a head covering is not necessarily a woman under submission.
     
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    Agreed, a woman who veils is not neccessarily under submission.

    Can you tell me more about your church that practices veilings for women?

    We have found no Baptist churches that teach or even tolerate veilings for women.
     
  6. Daniel David

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    Do you live in Florida?

    We are governed by a plurality of elders. The women in the church that do wear the coverings only do so in worship. To my knowledge, they do not wear one outside of the assembly.
     
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    No, but will be visiting in coming months. We have about five grandmas to visit there.

    What type of Baptist is it? Are there other churches like yours?
     
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    Dear HCL,

    I was very blessed reading your post! I was almost sure that noone practices this anymore in this country! I am an international student here from Romania. In our denomination (Baptist) I can assure you that most women in most churches do practice this!
    You are so right and I fully agree. My wife does that too; however if you look around, this is not a pleasant topic for most....
    Let the Word of the Lord speak for itself!
    May God continue to richly bless you!!

    Felix [​IMG]
     
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    When I first began to cover my head a lady who had been to Romania (visiting the church we were attending), came up to me and blessed me.

    Out of no where she said, "When we were in Romania all the ladies STILL wear headcoverings." This woman was in her late seventies. It took me a while to understand what she meant by STILL.
     
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    One more thing!

    I would consider the Baptists in general (Romanian and Hungarian) in Romania pretty strong on this issue. However, you should see our Pentecostal brethren over there!!! You need to see this --- take a little trip to Romania [​IMG]

    Like you said there are just so many implications of this!!! You could see them everywhere, on the streets, on the buses, at work!!! Everybody knows they are 'Christians'. However, like you also said, the covering itself does not make one a Christian. The protection (and I strongly mean both Spiritual and Physical) they enjoy are just tramendous!!!!

    Felix [​IMG]
     
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    Thank you for sharing these word pictures with me.
     
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    Many Baptist churches in Northern Ireland expect head coverings, but how sad that you have never found a Baptist church which tolerates it. You should have that liberty. Do they tell you that you must remove the covering? :confused:
     
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    HCL,

    I respect your conviction about the head covering, but beyond the inference you draw out of verse 10, can you give Scriptural evidence that the angels of God require a sign in order to protect His saints? This is a new one on me.
     
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    Hello HeadCoveredLady!

    Boy I sure have missed you on here. You have been such a blessing to me and have caused me to really examine the scripture. I for one have always believed that there was no reason to cover my head because it says that her is given her for a covering, but upon close verse by verse examination I have learned otherwise. Praise God for people who want to follow the examples defiled in the Bible!
     
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    Many Baptist churches in Northern Ireland expect head coverings, but how sad that you have never found a Baptist church which tolerates it. You should have that liberty. Do they tell you that you must remove the covering? :confused: </font>[/QUOTE]That is interesting to learn that the headcovering is expected in your country. How wonderful.

    I was not told to remove it straight out, but rather treated as one who does not belong there.
     
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    HCL,

    I respect your conviction about the head covering, but beyond the inference you draw out of verse 10, can you give Scriptural evidence that the angels of God require a sign in order to protect His saints? This is a new one on me.
    </font>[/QUOTE]Yes, Sir I can, it is found in Genesis. When God told the Israelites to paint blood on their doorposts. He did this so the angel of death would pass over the homes of the faithful Israelites to destroy everyone elses first born son.

    I know that this is a type of salvation and points to Jesus. But, here is one example that the angels do indeed require a sign.

    I have never read that angels are ominiscient. Just as satan cannot read our hearts and minds the Lord's angels cannot either.

    What do you think verse 10 means?
     
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    Walls,
    The Lord was drawing me back here and I saw this and your post and know the Lord would have me comment.
    So glad to hear how practicing headcovering has blessed you and your family. It is wonderful to hear of sisters who obey this Scripture and find the joy and peace in obeying it.
     
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    That's supposed to say defined, I didn't mean to imply that the Bible was defiled. [​IMG]
     
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    Brother, the angels cannot see the heart, but they require a SIGN.

    Angels do not act on their own. They are servants of God, who DOES know the heart. Therefore, when I am covered by Christ, I have all the covering I need. And when I am indwelt by the Holy Spirit, I have all the internal direction I need, which will always be in line with Scripture.

    I do not need to wear special underwear, or something on my head, or any other physical 'sign' which will grant me some kind of 'blessing' or 'protection.' I am in Christ and He is in me and that is ever so much more than a bit of cloth on my head.
     
  20. Jim1999

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    Hear, hear, Helen...I quite agree with that.

    You are bang on.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     

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