1 Corinthians 15: 22-23

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  1. Benoni

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    The following verse was brought up in another thread; I know it is worth dicussing. So here it is.

    1 Corinthians 15:22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

    and here is a supporting verse. :godisgood:

    Romans 5:18-20 (Weymouth’s)
    It follows then just as the result of a single transgression is a condemnation which to the whole race, so also is the result of a single degree of righteousness is a life giving acquittal which extends to the whole race. (19) for as thought the disobedience of one individual the mass of mankind were constituted as sinners, so also though the obedience of one, the mass of mankind will be constituted righteous. Now law was brought in later on so that the transgression might increase, but sin increased, grace is overflowed.







    The following was written by Ray Prinzing

    EACH IN HIS OWN RANK:
    "God's love will not be satisfied until everyone has been fully transformed so that they return to Him the same quality of love with which He gives us. The patience of God's love never runs out. The day of His full satisfaction will come and He will not stop loving until it does.
    When God has finished His processings, everyone will have reached the full potential for which they were created, and everyone will have a share in His positive blessings. 1 Corinthians 15:22 & 23 says, "As in Adam all died, even so in Christ shall all be made alive - but every man in his own order." Christian Babylon admits that we all died in Adam, but they limit the all being made alive to those who believe as they do. They do not recognize the fact that it is God's responsibility to reveal Himself to you and prove Himself to you so that you will believe in Him. None of us can believe in Him until He causes us to, and we will all believe in Him when He wants us to - each of us in our own order. We don't loan our new car to a stranger. Neither do we trust our lives to God before we know what He is really like.
    Don't condemn people for not trusting God. Many people cannot trust in God because they have been taught a false concept of God. People will learn what God is really like when He wants them to know it, and when God reveals Himself to them personally, they will not be able`to help but love Him. God said, "I was found by a people that sought me not." According to His own timing for each individual, God will draw everyone to Christ to willingly submit to them as their Lord - everyone who Is on earth and everyone who is in the heavens. THIS IS GOD'S MERCIFUL PURPOSE. The Greek word for God means "PLACER." Through a unique set of processings God is going to place everyone exactly where He wants them so they can enjoy the benefits of His special purpose for them. Christendom teaches us to be need-centered instead of God-centered. Many people at the pool of Bethesda "needed" to be healed, but Jesus knew that God only wanted to heal one of them at that specific time. God will meet every need when HE wants it met. Christ is the firstborn from the dead THAT IN ALL HE MAY HAVE THE PREEMINENCE. Colossians 1:18.

    Ray Prinzing
     
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    God created man because God desires overcoming manifested sons not naïve innocent robotic/puppet Children who will automatically do God’s will because they were pre-programmed not to sin like many wish Adam and Eve were (but they were not).


    Yes it was all created good; but like Job, God wanted to make it better; this was never man’s freewill or choice; it was God all in all. The Bible declares God is the Alpha and the Omega, and I will add as well as every Greek letter in between. The real purpose for humanity is to grow out of our carnal state and become God’s manifested overcoming sons; but each in their own order file or rank.

    1 Corinthians 15:22-24

    22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
    23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.




    1 Cor 15:24-28
    24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
    25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
    26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
    27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
    28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
    (KJV)

    I like the Amplified which declares. “Everything to everyone”

    28However, when everything is subjected to Him, then the Son Himself will also subject Himself to [the Father] Who put all things under Him, so that God may be all in all [be everything to everyone, supreme, the indwelling and controlling factor of life].
     
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    All men shall see the salvation of God...............

    Luke 3: 6
    (Amp) And all mankind shall see (behold and [a]understand and at last acknowledge) the salvation of God (the deliverance from eternal death decreed by God).
     
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    Are you trying to teach universal salvation of all mankind????????

    If so, you are woefully ignorant of the scriptures. All who are "IN" Adam and are not "IN" Christ.

    1. Those "in" Christ redemptively are chosen by the Father before the world began - Eph. 1:4; 2 Thes. 2:13; 2 Tim. 1:7

    2. The Father has power over "all flesh" (Jn. 17:2a) but the Father did not give "all flesh" to the Son to give eternal life unto but only "as many as" the Father gave to the Son will the Son give eternal life (Jn. 17:2b).

    3. All that the Father gives the Son shall come and "of all" the Father gives the Son "shall lose nothing" but raise everyone up again at the last day (Jn. 6:37-40).

    4. No man can come to the Son but those the Father draws and "all" that is "every man" drawn comes to the Son and all that come "I shall lose nothing." (Jn 6:39-45).

    5. There will be many PROFESSED believers in Christ, much less, the ungodly that will be turned into hell on judgement day (Mt. 7:21-23; 25:46).
     
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    1 Corinthians 15:22-24

    22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
    23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

    (order) Gk Strong’s NT:5001 tagma (tag'-mah); from NT:5021; something orderly in arrangement (a troop), i.e. (figuratively) a series or succession:
    If God does not call you, you cannot come.

    Again I repeat the Greek Word in "en" also means (in with and by) and these words can be interchanged so you “in Christ argument holds no water” the translation could also say “by Christ” or "with Christ" all will be made alive”.

    Yes much of First Corinthians 15 is speaking of the why we are believers but they are to keys you are either ignoring or dismissing. First being the (in with, by) we just covered. Second being the last being vs. 23 which declares how the all in Christ will be made alive each and there own order file or rank if you look at the Greek.

    This verse is a perfect example of where context should be used. There is a time element and all the words line up and mean the very same thing in context, it is a perfect example for context and we shoud heed it deep and awesome message and not insert bias.

    In the first part of the verse it reads “22For as in Adam all die”. In (in with and by), (in Adam), (with Adam), (by Adam)… Amen, we all agree all die, some see this as Physical death but it is death period. We are dead creatures every one of us dead, spiritually, dead physically some day if Jesus does not return, we are dead dead in trespasses and sin, death reigns from Adam to Christ.

    Then in context the very next phase “so in Christ shall all be made alive” (in with and by), (in Christ), (with Christ), (by Christ)… shall all be made alive.

    Then God’s Word not my opinion shows us now… But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Notice how it says firstfruits (plural), The firstfruitsare the very same who will rule and reign with Christ, Some say these people were the early Church, but this is not what a firstfruit is, it is not the beginning of a planting season do we get a firstfruit harvest, it is at the beginning of a harvest, and right after the firstfruit is harvested the whole harvest becomes mature and ready for picking.

    Now I am going to jump out of context to show us when and where the word firstfruits are used in God's plan of the ages.

    Rev. 14:1 Then I looked, and behold, a[a] Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father’s name written on their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, like the voice of many waters, and like the voice of loud thunder. And I heard the sound of harpists playing their harps. 3 They sang as it were a new song before the throne, before the four living creatures, and the elders; and no one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These were redeemed[c] from among men, being firstfruits to God and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth was found no deceit,[d] for they are without fault before the throne of God.[e]


    Of course there are many verses to back this up but Romans 5:18-20 (Weymouth’s) is one of the most outstanding.

    It follows then just as the result of a single transgression is a condemnation which to the whole race, so also is the result of a single degree of righteousness is a life giving acquittal which extends to the whole race. (19) for as thought the disobedience of one individual the mass of mankind were constituted as sinners, so also though the obedience of one, the mass of mankind will be constituted righteous. Now law was brought in later on so that the transgression might increase, but sin increased, grace is overflowed.
    The victory over sin and death (they are joined) is clearly and unmistakably the Christians alone !


    That is not what 1 Corin 15: 22-24 is saying and that is a far cry from what Luke 2:10And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy,which shall be to all people.
     
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    Yes, this man is teaching universalism. Most Christian boards ban such things.
     
  8. Benoni

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    So this is how you attack someone you do not agree with. Seeing I am being banned any way. You sir are a spiritual coward and not an overcomer.

    Where were you inthe debate ?
     
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    Benoni

    I don't know what you are teaching but at least you understand acts 15:17

    Hope you had a wonderful freedom day.
     
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    Well thank you. At least someone else has spiritual ears and not religious ears.
     
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    Where is that ?

    Hi Benoni , and your brand of theology , U R , will only strengthened those that will study to defense the faith that Paul preached ,

    But you use Paul and than jump back into the OT .

    And example is where you mention the Priesthood of Melchizedek , which we ARE NOT A PART OF !! Where is a verse that reveals that we are a Priesthood ???

    My question for you is , where is the Body of Christ is a Priesthood , when Paul says that we are " in Christ " , Rom 6:3

    And where the fulness of the Godhead in dwells all of us , Col 1:23 !
     
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    God is not calling the whole world now; but in my Father's House are many mansions or abodes. The Body of Christ is very much a part God's plan for the ages; they will not rule and reign with Christ but they will be before his throne
     
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    Priesthood ?

    Hi Benoni , and I have not seen a verse where the Body of Christ is a Priesthood ????

    In 1 Cor 15: 23 , what does " Christ at His coming " mean ????

    Is this His 5th coming ? Maybe you will enlighten me , as to what coming it means ??

    And what does verse 24 , " Then cometh the END , when He shall have delivered up the Kingdom to God , can you reveal that timeline to us ????

    Is this another coming ??
     
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    You surely need some enlightment. You keep coming up with all these unscriptural comings; the rapture, second coming , fifth coming??????????? how about look at God’s Word instead of all this non scriptural returns.

    Mt 24:27 Light or lighting
    Rev. 16:15 thief
    Matt. 25:6 bridegroom
    Rev 22:16/2:28 morning star
    Mal 4:2 sun of righteousness
    Phip 3:20,21 resurrection power
    II Thes. 1 7-8 flaming fire
    Mal 3 1-3 priesthood company, fuller soap, refining fire
    1 Thes 4:16-17 air
    Hos. 6:3/James 5:7-8 rain
    Rev 19:11-14 on white horse
    Ma 25:31-34 king
    1 Peter 5:4 Chief Sheppard
    Ma 16:27 Comes with angels
    Jude 14:/1 John 14:18/II Thes 1:10 comes with saints
    Jude 14:15 Judgment
    Rev 22:12 with reward
     
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    nice copy and paste. Do you ever give credit?
    Without context the references are useless.
     
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    Call it a copy in past it is a bunch of scriptural references no more.
    Do you have a message based on God's Word or just on your religous bias; if you do please give me scripture instead of these non scriptual terms like rapture, second coming etc.
     
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    Why should we give you Scripture when you ignore it?
     
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    What scripture have i ignored. Give me one example.
     
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    Do you believe in the study of God, or the study of the Bible? By your beliefs I would say you don't. However if you do, the terms are theology, and Bibliology, both terms not found in the Bible. Are you sure you don't believe in God or the Bible, because you don't find these words in the Bible. This is the logic you are using.
     
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    Luke 13.....
     

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