10,000 Elephants to be Killed

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  1. Daisy

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    South Africa's parks can only sustain so many elephants and they estimate that they are over the limit by 10,000.

    Meanwhile, the domesticated elephants of Thailand must work for their living. Traditionally, they've been loggers and haulers, but deforestation and trucks have forced them to turn to the arts and entertainment for their sustenance.

    Nearly everyone has seen elephant perform in circuses, but few people have heard of the painting elephants (link to online gallery), fewer still have heard the musical pachiderms play. "Elephonic Rhapsodies" (link to sample mp3 is the follow-up cd to the original "Thai Elephant Orchestra" (link to samples).

    Support the elephants - buy a painting or cd!
     
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    Elephants are extremely intelligent animals and even mourn the loss of their relatives at elephant graveyards, knowing which bones belong to those of their own.

    This isn't about trees. It's about harvesting ivory and making a lot of money from it, IMO. :mad:

    Greed has no limits. [​IMG]

    Elephants Mourning

    Ivory Trade
     
  3. Johnv

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    We permit the culling of deer populations via hunting. Is it therefore not a hypicritical double-standard if we denounce the subject of the OP?

    We're not talking about an endangered or threatened species of any sort, where is the line to be drawn in order for it not to be a double-standard?
     
  4. Daisy

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    Why not have a double standard - charming animals vs tasty animals?

    What to do about horses which are both charming and tasty?
     
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    This is one majestic mammal 10,000 to be culled
    should be totally out of the question. Someone needs to think outside the box and find a way to
    keep this majestic animal safe guarded.


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  6. Johnv

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    Based on what, Alsanspal? It is based on subjectivity alone.

    I don't have a problem with it, so long as we all recognize that fact that it is based on subjective feelings, and not objectivity. But typically, you'll find people trying to objectively rationalize their subjective feelings on a subjective topic like this, to gird their position.
     
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    Bring them to the USofA and train them to be police elephants. Much more useful than horses.
     
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    Isn't the elephant the symbol for the republican party? I would think you would be the one in favor of their slaughter.
     
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    JohnV why? did you subject me to this post. ;)


    Reality is, the animal is very admired because
    of its bueaty,behaviour, and intelligence. I think
    people would want to do the best that they could
    to avoid the culling and find as many options
    as possible.

    What billwald said is a start..instead of not trying to solve the problem and just accept the
    culling, is not the way to go...culling should
    be a last resort for the African elephant. If
    everything was exhausted mind wise,and the law is on the books to cull, then sadly I would
    have to accept the culling.

    Be careful Webdog elephants are my friends and
    they never forget!;)besides this is an environmental and animal issue so lets not let
    PETTYpolitics ruin trying to care for these
    majestic mammals.

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    <a href="http://www.livingwithelephants.org/" target="_blank">Living
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    How's this for thinking outside the box?

    WHERE THE LIONS AND ELEPHANTS ROAM
     
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    I'm not against culling of the elephants (if I were, I'd be a hypocrite, since I'm not against culling of deer, rabbits, etc). But I can accept the idea that other avenues being explored prior to culling.

    However, it must be noted that the overpopulation of elephants, being benefited by the lack of natural predators, is causing a severe ecological imbalance, including heavy habitat destruction. The number of elephant attacks on other animals has also increased. The critically endangered black rhinoceros population is dwindling because of elephant attacks, verging on extinction.
     
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    Does anybody know how many elephants are in the parks?
     
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    There are about 15,000 elephants in the reserve. The reserve is designed to support a population of up to 7,000.
     
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    Couldn't we have these Majesteic animals spayed or neutered. I would be hesitant to volunteer for such an undertaking but certainly this could be an option.
     
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    The South African government is missing a great opportunity in not selling hunting rights. They could reap probably $20K, revenue for each elephant taken, considering the money big game hunters would pay for food housing transportation, etc.
     
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    "each elephant taken" how PC hillclimber why don't
    you just come out and say it! each elephant killed.

    I thought right wingers were against PC?

    Speak it plainly but don't hide behind politcal
    correctness with "each animal taken" it is not
    as if they are being taken for domestication or workers.

    I would not grieve much if some obese big spender
    game hunter bagged his elephant with the help
    of cheating with guides and technology but that
    the majestic elephant with its last dying breath
    was to flatten the S.O.Jezebel.

    I meant it
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  17. Daisy

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    Because elephants travel in family groups, have long lives, long memories and seem grieve their dead, the elephants are to be killed as whole family groups.

    One elephant is magnificient. A herd is awesome. But 10,000 elephants is an awful lot of elephants. If they overeat their habitat, then they will face starvation as will the other inhabitants of the reserve.

    I favor some kind of birth control over slaughter, if that is feasiable.
     
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    Taken is a perfectly acceptable word to use for this. I don't take well to corrections from you sir, especially in light of the last sentence of your post and the value you place on human life, and each ones dignity.
     
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    By the way AP, you will find few people that are less PC than I.
     
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    Who wants to see elephants being eliminated by culling or by game hunting. I think game hunting in Africa is not as exciting as it used to be and I wouldn't consider it a sport.
    Read the article below from a site and this seems to be the only compassionate way to aproach the situation.
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    www.exn.ca/Stories/ 2000/09/14/57.asp
    The birth control pill for elephants
    Everyone knows elephants are endangered, usually as a result of poaching. But in South Africa, they have the opposite problem - a plethora of the animals. The large populations wreak havok with farms and damage the vegetation eaten by other wildlife. Attempts to control the elephants by culling have led to protests. But a new discovery could help bring down the elephant population without any culls. Researchers at the University of Georgia have developed a contraceptive for elephants. But the contraceptive is very different from the pill taken by women. Instead of altering the elephant's hormone levels, it tricks the elephant's own immune system into preventing fertilization from taking place. The vaccine requires only a single injection. And if the elephant numbers start to drop again, a second injection can reverse it.
     

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