10 commandments and Judge Roy Moore

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  1. BobRyan

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    Should Christians support the liberal left wing media - and others in their attempts to abolish God's 10 commandments?

    The 10 commandments are etched above the chair of the chief justice of the supreme court of the United States. They are engraved in the doors to the supreme court AND on the walls on the outside the building.

    Should they be sandblasted off?

    How far does God want us to go in abolishing His Own 10 commandments from our country?

    In Christ,

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  2. Yelsew

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    Shouldn't we also remove all the crosses from the graves of our fallen in the National cemetaries?

    Should we have a National Cathedral?

    Should Congress have a Chaplin to lead prayer before each session?

    Should the supreme Court have a Chaplin?

    Should we finally remove "in God we Trust" from our currency and make it truly filthy lucre?

    Should we ban the singing of "God Bless America".

    Should we remove all symbols of ALL religions from this land of America?

    Should our Justices be banned from wearing robes? Afterall they are a holdover Symbol from Religion.

    Perhaps we should remove the "Throne of Judgment" from every courtroom and force the justices to Stand during their preceedings. Afterall God sits on the throne of true Justice.
     
  3. BobRyan

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    If the rule is that nothing can be specifically Jewish or Christian - then not only does the supreme court of the U.S have a problem with the 10 commandments --- but the symbol of the cross as Yelsew noted is going to be a huge problem.

    Between the houses of congress there is a giant murial depicting the signing of the constitution - in it there is a huge Bible opened to Matt 5 "as if" this book played a significant role in that document. Guess what? Matt 5 is not Islamic!

    In the House of representatives there are frescos of law makers placed along the walls. Each one is a side-view of a famous lawmaker in history. But there is "one" placed in the "center of them all". His face is fully represented instead of a side-view.

    It is Moses. And the reason they gave is because Moses was GIVEN the Law - he did not MAKE it. It is recognition that God was the author of Moses' law and that His law is supreme to all man-made laws.

    But "oh yeah" we are NOT specifically identifying the Bible - (the 66) or anything in it --- right?


    In Christ,

    Bob
     
  4. Ray Berrian

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    That is such a beautiful pedestal and 10 Commandments at the entrance of the court house. Our nation was founded on religious freedom. I personally don't think that a small, small minority of agnostics and larger group of secular humanists should be destroying our Judeo-Christian history.

    Is there a way we can transmit our Emails to the State of Alabama? I might try to write the Senator from the great state of Alabama.

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  5. BobRyan

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    Email --

    President George W. Bush: [email protected]

    Vice President Richard Cheney: [email protected]

    To lookup any senator's email --
    http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

    Sessions, Jeff - (R - AL) Class II
    335 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
    (202) 224-4124
    E-mail: [email protected]

    Shelby, Richard - (R - AL) Class III
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  6. BobRyan

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    Some of our more liberal media claim that Martin Luther King is NOT an example of discerning the RIGHT lawful powers of the judicial system vs an abuse of it - that can be used by Americans supportive of the Ten Commandments in courtrooms LIKE the Supreme Court of the United States.

    They try to remove King's example - by saying that Rev MLK was opposed to prayer in schools.

    However - that is a nonsequiter. His right to protest abuses of the judicial system is SHARED by those who are now protesting against other abuses EVEN IF he did not fully understand all other abuses of that same judicial system.

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  7. BobRyan

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    The States should have the SAME right to display and promote the 10 Commandments as the Federal system - that currently displays the 10 commandments in ITS supreme court justice building in Washington D.C.

    The constiution does not give the States LESS rights than the federal govt in this regard - it gives them MORE rights by only restricting the Federal Government.

    Why is that so difficult for the liberal media?

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  8. BobRyan

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    Roy Moore is like Boris Yeltsin on his tank saying to 70 yeas of communism "Enough is Enough"!!

    Judge Moore - is facing 70 years of "social engineers" in the judicial office. 70 years of basing the "constructionists" who would "Hold to the constitution".

    Judg Moore is fighting AGAINST those who violate the separation of church and stated where the constitution is ammended to say "Congress shall make NO LAW".

    The social-engineers have twisted that around to say "Congress shall make NO LAW" restricting the free exercise of the FEDERAL courts to display the Ten Commandments - JUST the Sates are RESTRICTED from that FREE exercise.

    But the Constitution was written to say that the FEDERAL system shall make NO LAW restricting the STATES in THEIR free exercise.

    So what happens now?

    NOW a Federal Court rules that HIDING THE Ten Commandments in a CLOSET is KEEPING the FEDERAL law - made by the Federal JUDGE NOT by Congress - that RESTRICTS the FREE exercise of the STATE.

    Well - then there is Judge Moore standing on his tank saying - 70 years of this is "enough".

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
  9. Dan Stiles

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    Chief Justice Moore's biography page:
    http://www.alalinc.net/appellate/supreme/judge.cfm?Moore=Judge

    I heard him speak to the citizens of Adams County, Ohio - also going through a persecution by the ACLU and Federal Court system for daring to believe that the 10 Commandments have a place in their schools. Read more about that case at
    http://www.4the10.net/

    Chief Justice Moore has a commercial site, as does the Adams County organization, that accepts donations and sells signs, t-shirts and such (but you'll have to surf through to find them yourself because I don't want to be accused of using the BB for selling things! :D ).

    These and several other cases are still in the courts. Don't give up on them.
     
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    Honest questions:

    Does the removal of a monument of the 10 Commandments lessen their value?

    Will Judge Moore now forget about them and disregard them, since he no longer has this monument?

    Will our preaching of the Gospel now be ineffective because of this?

    And the big one: How can someone who values the seperation of church and state (a Baptist tennet, and probably other Protestants, as well) disagree with the state not supporting a particular religion or circle of relgions? The 10 Commandments are a Judeo-Christian belief; to be in a federal building of any kind shows state support for a non-state religion.
     
  11. BobRyan

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    GraceSaves --

    Your argument "IS" an argument for sandblasting the Supreme court of the Unite States to remove all vestiges of the Ten commandments FROM that building.

    It is an argument for arresting Congress as it uses tax dollars to pay for a Christian prayer said at the start of each session.

    It is an argument for sanblasting the giant mural between the two houses of congress showing Matt 5 as the basis for the constitution.

    It is an argument that would "show" by these and many other examples that the Federal system ITSELF was established on the FREE EXERCISE of the Christian religion EVEN in Government institutions.

    Your point is well taken - the Federal government is exercising specifially CHRISTIAN forms of "Free Exercise". I agree with you there.

    HOWEVER that FREE EXERCISE is exactly what the constitution protected for the STATES not the Federal Government. NOW what we have is the FEDERAL system FREE to CONTINUE its practice started while violating the constitution to MAKE "judicial-laws" restricting the free exercise of the States!!

    The point is not the the Ten Commandments "lose power" here. The point is that we ARE endorsing a violation of the separation between church and state WHEN we support "judicial laws" that RESTRICT free exercise. It is "negative prejudice" exercised AGAINST Christianity in this case - but a violation of the separation none-the-less.

    ONCE you go into that door and start saying SOME violation is "ok" (if it is negative AGAINST Christianity) then you open the door to POSITIVE prejudice as well. The SAME argument can be used - (The one that says it is ok to ignore the ammendment and MAKE LAWS regarding Free Exercise) to create POSITIVE prejudice TOWARDS a given practice of religion. The door swings BOTH ways.

    In Christ,

    Bob
     

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