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Discussion in '2005 Archive' started by FrankBetz, Apr 24, 2005.

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  1. russell55

    russell55 New Member

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    So, are you saying that this excerpt purported to be written Constantin von Tischendorf himself, link for us by rsr, which is taken from something published in 1866 by the American Tract Society has been tampered with in some way?

    The Discovery of the Sinaitic Manuscript

    Where are your Christian historical sources that quote Tischendorf saying something different?
     
    #101 russell55, Apr 29, 2005
  2. Anti-Alexandrian

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    But they dropped the ball when they chose the Egyptian counterfeits..


    Thank God they had the discernment to use the correct reformation MSS!!!!!!!!!
     
    #102 Anti-Alexandrian, Apr 29, 2005
  3. TCassidy

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    You did. The Count's own words regarding the circumstances surrounding the discovery of Aleph are well documented.
    Not a single historian has ever contradicted the Count's statement regarding the events. Not one. You have offered no statements by any historian to the contrary. Not one.
    You mean when you said all those ugly things about me and my ministry you were discussing the subject of the finding of Aleph? Really?
    Which is, of course, not the point. The point was, and is, that Aleph was not found in a trash can. That is a myth. A lie.
     
    #103 TCassidy, Apr 29, 2005
  4. TCassidy

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    I agree. The NASB might well have been the most technically accurate English translation had they based it on the Byzantine textform rather than the Alexandrian. [​IMG]
     
    #104 TCassidy, Apr 29, 2005
  5. Ransom

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    loving2daysyouth said:

    The one's that I refer you to are from a Christian historian's point of view which would quote Tischendorf totally different than that of a secular museum.

    Tischendorf's words have been quoted directly on this forum.

    Given the choice of believing Tischendorf, who was there, or some "Christian historian" who wasn't, I'll take the primary source over the secondary.

    You cannot call a documented source a myth.

    By dismissing Tischendorf's personal account, that is exactly what you are doing.

    Again, follow the logic.

    Post some. :rolleyes:
     
    #105 Ransom, Apr 29, 2005
  6. robycop3

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    Anti_Alexandrian:

    Seems that when you get clobbered by someone posting FACTS as opposed to your hearsay, you wanna change the subject real quick. We posted FACT showing your take on Easter in Acts 12:4 to be wrong, and I posted SCRIPTURE to prove Antioch wasn't such a holy place. And YOU have NOT been able to prove that much, if any, Scriptures were written there. How about fielding that ball before you go to the next batter?
     
    #106 robycop3, Apr 29, 2005
  7. Bluefalcon

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    I'm still waiting for a good answer to this one from Gunther:

    Codeces Vaticanus and Sinaiticus are the two oldest MSS we have that contain Mt. 27:49. For Mt. 27:49, they read:

    "But the rest said, 'Wait, let us if Elijah will come and save him. But another took a spear and pierced his side, and water and blood came out."

    Answer carefully, based on your above statement, the "earliest manuscripts are 100% the word of God." Is the above text from the oldest MSS containing Mt. 27:49 (a) the perfect Word of God; (b) less than the perfect Word of God; or (c) more than the perfect Word of God? Think about your answer.

    Yours, Bluefalcon
     
    #107 Bluefalcon, Apr 30, 2005
  8. Anti-Alexandrian

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    Who might that be?

    The only one I seen posting any useable facts here is Dr.Cassidy.


    AND?!

    Well,one thing is for sure,Paul got the woG he used on his missionary trips from Antioch.......My KJB came from those reformation MSS.

    Thank God He preserved His word in the Antiochan(Acts) MSS,and Bible therefrom;rather than tampered with mss via Gnostics and philosophers in Alexandria.


    How about hitting one past home plate first!
     
    #108 Anti-Alexandrian, Apr 30, 2005
  9. robycop3

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    Sorry, A_A but your guesswork and $.25 will only get you a cup of coffee. And I see you have nothing to say about Easter.
     
    #109 robycop3, Apr 30, 2005
  10. Keith M

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    WHAT!!!??? And have to comment on the fact that the "103% Word of God" has a poor rendering? :eek:
     
    #110 Keith M, Apr 30, 2005
  11. Ed Edwards

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    Robycop3: "How about fielding that ball before you
    go to the next batter?"

    Hey, it is you Bro Robocop3 that isn't playing fair [​IMG]
    YOu are supposed to use next what is on page 138
    of KJVOs-R-us'es book "How to Argue with Non-bible
    Believers". YOu went and done your own thinkin'
    and that is NOT ALLOWED :(
     
    #111 Ed Edwards, Apr 30, 2005
  12. Keith M

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    So, just before we all get our lobotomies, shouldn't we be allowed to demonstrate whether or not we are willing to let the KJVO crowd do our thinking and choosing for us? Maybe if we're really good, we won't have to get the lobotomies... :rolleyes:
     
    #112 Keith M, Apr 30, 2005
  13. Anti-Alexandrian

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    [​IMG] WOW!!


    I have said all I'm gonna say about it..Scripture has proven you wrong;accept it and move on!
    I will place the KJB over your silly pre-conceived notions any day!!
     
    #113 Anti-Alexandrian, Apr 30, 2005
  14. David J

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    Well then Anti-A then please post your evidence.

    Let me remind you that I am a former KJVO and I fully know and understand KJVO dogma. I know how empty KJVOism is without the emotional reasonings based solely on myths and personal feelings.

    You still have not answered my questions I asked you in this thread. Why do you run from those types of questions?

    Thanks,
     
    #114 David J, Apr 30, 2005
  15. Anti-Alexandrian

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    Do a search;and what questions??
     
    #115 Anti-Alexandrian, Apr 30, 2005
  16. Askjo

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    Did any apostles go to Egypt?
    According to Dr. Jack Moorman, he wrote, "This is the Gnostic perversion with its doctrine of 'intermediary gods.' It is the trademark of corruption in the early Egyptian manuscripts which unfortunately spread to some others."
    The KJV has no error on this verse. Maybe you carelessly read this passages. Nothing wrong with the KJV -- That is what the other apostles and Peter said. Not Luke's words. Luke wrote WHAT they spoke.
     
    #116 Askjo, Apr 30, 2005
  17. Benaiah

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    Easter is corectly translated in the King James and the King James only.
     
    #117 Benaiah, Apr 30, 2005
  18. Benaiah

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    Easter is correctly identified as a Pagan Holiday in the KJV
     
    #118 Benaiah, Apr 30, 2005
  19. TCassidy

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    "Easter" in the KJV in Acts 12:4 is a translation of "pasXa" meaning "passover." The KJV translates "pasXa" as "passover" in Matthew 26:2, 17, 18,19, Mark 14:1, 12, 14, 16, Luke 2:41, 22:1, 7, 8, 11, 13, 15, John 2:13, 23, 6:4, 11:55, 12:1, 13:1, 18:28, 39, 19:14, 1 Corinthians 5:7, and Hebrews 11:28.

    The word "easter" in 1611 had the secondary meaning of "the Jewish Passover." (See the Oxford English Dictionary). This alternate meaning of the word dates back to the 9th century AD.

    Today there is no doubt the word should be translated "passover" but in 1611 "easter" was an accepted secondary translation.

    If the Holy Spirit, Who inspired Acts 12:4, had meant "Ishtar" then the Greek would have read "Aphrodite" which is the Greek analog of "Ishtar." "Ishtar" is the Babylonian (not Idumean, as was Herod) goddess.

    The "easter" = "Ishtar" explanation is just foolish.
     
    #119 TCassidy, Apr 30, 2005
  20. rsr

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    "The 'easter'= 'Ishtar' explanation is just foolish. "

    Finally. Thank you.

    The Easter rendering was an acceptable translation, but an inconsistent one; the question is why the KJV translators did it only once.

    Tyndale did it several times, but it's conceivable that he would have corrected that if he'd had time.
     
    #120 rsr, Apr 30, 2005
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