17th century Word Changes

2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

The bible likens studying to work. If we are supposed to have an easy time understanding the bible, where is that verse?

Job 23:12
Neither have I gone back from the commandment of his lips; I have esteemed the words of his mouth more than my necessary food.

2 Thessalonians 3:10
For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

If a man hungers for the word of God, he will do what is necessary to understand it. I think this is the way God wants it. It is only this perverse and lazy generation that feels that we should conform God's word to meet our expectations, rather than the other way around.

Proverbs 22:13
The slothful man saith, There is a lion without, I shall be slain in the streets.

Will we allow the lion of King James english keep us from work?

 

Terry Herrington:If a man hungers for the word of God, he will do what is necessary to understand it. I think this is the way God wants it. It is only this perverse and lazy generation that feels that we should conform God's word to meet our expectations, rather than the other way around.

No, Terry...It's only in THIS generation that we have a band of wannabees who think they can LIMIT GOD telling us we MUST read God's word in English ONLY from a 400-yr-old version.

Every BV ever made was in the language of its intended readership. No one ever made a Bible written in German for a French-using readership. The AV 1611 was intended for the English readers in the day of King James 1 and was written in THEIR language style.

 

Here's John 3;16 from the Wycliffe Bible:
"for god loued so the world; that he gaf his oon bigetun sone, that eche man that bileueth in him perisch not: but haue euerlastynge liif,"

Now, how many people today could quickly, clearly understand that verse if they were totally unfamiliar with any Bible? Yet, it was perfectly clear to the English reader of 600 years ago.

Terry, and others, if ya wanna live in the past, ya gotta go back a lot farther than 1611 to the FIRST English Bibles, which were made several hundred years before Wycliffe's day.

 

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for god loued so the world; that he gaf his oon bigetun sone, that eche man that bileueth in him perisch not: but haue euerlastynge liif,"

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Only difference that is shown is the spelling and/or typeface. The words and the definitions of those words HAVE NOT CHANGED. This is a straw man arguement and a very poor example and excuse. It also has NOTHING to do with the topic, as Phillip continues to remind others of, he should also recognize this also is OFF TOPIC.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

This thread was supposed to deal with word changes since the 17th century. It keeps leaving that topic.

We are on page five. If it does not return to topic in the next few hours it will be closed at 1700 EDT today.

That is unfortunate - for this could be an excellent thread.

 

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for god loued so the world; that he gaf his oon bigetun sone, that eche man that bileueth in him perisch not: but haue euerlastynge liif,"
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loued = loved

gaf = gave

oon = own

bigeton = begotten

sone = son

eche = each

bileueth = believeth

perisch = perish

haue = have

euerlastynge = everlasting

liif = life


NONE of these words are ARCHAIC. They are only a different spellings because the English language was not yet established/standardized in spelling, and was being established. It is important to understand the "why" concerning this issue/topic, and MUST BE EXPLAINED in light of this thread. Otherwise WRONG and INCORRECT conclusions can be made as a result. YOu are trying to show that the words are archaic and different to this modern day, to show forth your argument that the mv's are needed because the KJB is archaic, in style and words. This is UNTRUE, and these FACTS must be brought up, whether you or the moderators feel it is OFF TOPIC.


Note, these English words existed back then, and still do until this very day. This does not APPLY to your question.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Michelle,

Why are you always so quick to attack the moderating team - I was SUPPORTING your statement!?!

The post involving the Wycliff translation had nothing to do with arcahic words and I AGREED with you.

 

Have these been mentioned yet?

- bosses (Job 15:26)
- bowels
- carriage
- dam
- fats
- flowers (Lev 15:24)
- haunt
- leasing
- let (Rom 1:13)
- lusty (Judges 3:29)
- matrix
- mean
- mess
- muffler
- ouches
- overcharged
- peeled
- prevent
- pulse
- quit
- rank
- reins
- road
- single
- strait
- suffer
- talent
- target
- tired
- translate
- want

 

I have a wonderful list in the back of my Trinitarian Bible Society KJV.

 

Oh, sorry. I guess that would be helpful.

- bosses = Bump-like shapes on a shield (Job 15:26)
- bowels = affections (Philemon 1:7)
- carriage = baggage, luggage (Acts 21:15)
- dam = mother (Ex0 22:30)
- fats = vats (Joel 2:24)
- flowers = menstrual flow (Lev 15:24)
- haunt = one's place where they usually can be found (1 Sam 23:22)
- leasing = deceit (Psa 4:2)
- let = prevented (Rom 1:13)
- lusty = healthy and strong (Judges 3:29)
- matrix = womb (Exo 13:12)
- mean = common (Prov 22:29)
- mess = portion of food, a meal (Gen 43:34)
- muffler = veil to cover the face (Isa 3:19)
- ouches = sockets for jewels (Exo 28:11)
- overcharged = weighed down (Luke 21:34)
- peeled = smooth, bald (Isa 18:2)
- prevent = go before (1 Thess 4:15)
- pulse = Peas, beans (2 Sam 17:28)
- quit = found not guilty (Exo 21:19), behave (1 Sam 4:9)
- rank = full-grown (Gen 41:5)
- reins = kidneys (Job 16:13)
- road = raid (1 Sam 27:10)
- single = clear, pure, healthy (Matt 6:22)
- strait = close together (Matt 7:13), be in distress (Luke 12:50)
- suffer = allow (Exo 22:18)
- talent = weight of money (Matt 25:24)
- target = small shield (1 Sam 17:6)
- tired = put something around the head, turban (2 Kings 9:30)
- translate = remove to another place (2 Sam 3:10)
- want = lack (Psa 23:1)

 

1 Thes. 5:14:

In present day use of the word feebleminded, it means "mentally deficient". When it was used in the translation of the KJV, however, it meant "wavering in conviction" or "irresolute". The NKJV translates it as "fainthearted".

There's a whole list here. It's where I'm finding some of the ones I'm posting. It has a lot of definitions, etc, that I think are wrong, though, and a lot of the words aren't really obsolete, but just a bit obscure.

Like countervail, for instance. It may not be a common word, but it's a perfectly acceptable word, and it's perfectly suitable where it's used in the KJV.

[ October 13, 2004, 02:00 PM: Message edited by: russell55 ]