#2 Second Coming of Messiah Yeshua

Yeah, me too. :sleep:

 

Just to put things in perspective, Ed is restarting the now closed thread: The Second Coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

The above shows just how far many Baptists have strayed from the Faith of our Fathers!

 

Sorry Ed but 3G is for third generation not 3 Gigabyte.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3G

Signed your professional nerd.

 

You are excused :thumbs:

 

*Agreed.

* No conjecture please, only scripture, thank you. In scripture there is only one occurrence of each event.

 

According to Jesus Christ the last day means the last day.

John 6:39. And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
John 6:40. And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:44. No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:54. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 11:24. Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
John 12:48. He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Nonsense Ed. Why don't you just calculate the age of God! According to Scripture we are in the last days.

Hebrews 1:2. Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

 

In post #5 I presented the historic Baptist position on the Second Coming of Jesus Christ:

1. It is a single event.

2. At that time there will be a general resurrection of all the dead followed by the general judgment, consistent with John 5:28, 29.

The question I have is what new revelation did Baptists receive that made them embrace the ideology of Darby/Scofield. Baptists have traditionally believed that the Canon of Scripture is closed with the 66 books of the Bible.

I realize that there are some TV personalities who claim to receive a "word of knowledge" whatever that is. I realize that the Roman Catholics believe that the pope can make infallible pronouncements. However, I don't accept either of these.

The only new revelation I have heard about is mentioned in the the following paragraph:

Martyn Lloyd-Jones [a medical doctor and minister of the Westminister Chapel in London for 30 years] in his book, The Church and Last Things, asserts that John Darby was influenced by Edward Irving, a charismatic Scottish preacher, who established a new church in London called the Catholic Apostolic Church. As reported by Lloyd-Jones [page 138] the origin of ‘the secret rapture’ is the result of a prophetic utterance in the Catholic Apostolic Church. This utterance was supposedly in tongues, interpreted by someone and considered ‘a revelation’. There is much dispute as to whether the so-called revelation occured in Irving’s church or elsewhere and was then discovered by Irving. The origin of this ‘revelation’ has been attributed to Margaret Macdonald of Port Glasgow, Scotland. Her revelation was first published in Robert Norton's Memoirs of James & George Macdonald, of Port Glasgow (1840), pp. 171-176. Norton published it again in The Restoration of Apostles and Prophets; In the Catholic Apostolic Church (1861), pp. 15-18. Whether all of this is historical truth is subject to debate. However, it is apparently historical fact that there was a split within the Plymouth Bretheren as the result of Darby’s acceptance of the two event Second Coming and the ‘parenthesis church’. One truth should be evident. If the two event Second Coming is based on a revelation claimed by Margaret Macdonald, Edward Irving, or John Darby, or anyone in the Catholic Apostolic Church it is inherently false doctrine since the special revelation of God to man, the Scriptures, ceased with the Apostolic Age.

[Anyone interested in pursuing further this ongoing debate may do so by doing an internet search of Margaret Macdonald or The Restoration of Apostles and Prophets; In the Catholic Apostolic Church (1861).]

 

Ed,

I ask you question. HOW did you learned "pretribulation rapture" first time early in your life many years ago? Which you heard it first time by - Bible OR pastor??? Do you trust on pastor what he saying of 'pretrib rapture'? Pastor was ALWAYS right on 'pretrib rapture' before the Bible??

That why, Bible tells us that, we must be beware or watch out of men's teaching might be deception or error doctrines in their own tradition doctrines with their philosophy.

Honest, I heard "pretrib rapture" first time by through Church BEFORE Bible. I throught they were always right on 'pretrib rapture'. Till one day, in year 1992, my friends at their home, asked me to read Matt. 24:29-31 and 2 Thess. 2:1-3. I told them, "When I read verses in sign language same time, I MUST FOLLOW and AGREE with God's Word 100%." When I read and sign it same time, they hit me so hard and I was shocked and I do understood them very clear.

That's how I left pretrib camp in 1992, because of Bible. I never back to pretrib belief again ever. Because I always stick with God's Word 100% rather than listening to any men's own words -Colossians 2:8.

Why cannot you willijng to accept Scriptures telling us very cloear that Christ will come again at once on the last day? Are these passages or verses too hard for you read and understand?

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

Do you know how the "Feast" and their "Rituals" apply to the NT??

http://i25.tinypic.com/2e0mp6t.jpg

Why is it the "Firstborn/Firstfruit" who have had the blood "applied", Literal "PASSOVER" that period of time (Trib) when the next "Death angel" will leave "NO FLESH" alive in the planet unless Jesus returns???

And why does the Church "Spiritually" crucifies the "body of sin" to be saved while in the Trib the "body of sin" will "LITERALLY" die to be saved???

Just what is the different between Jesus being the "Passover lamb", and being the "Scapegoat" in the "Day of Atonement" Feast?? (Trib)

Do you think "MAYBE", your belief is based on "TOO LITTLE" information???

 

Me4Him,

God knows how to deliver his righteous people, even, God can provide of his superpower protect us (Revelation 12:14) from the evil ones and his army trying to find us during persecutions. Same with Hebrews who were cover by the blood on the doorposts that they were not being catch into punish or slay. But, all Egyptians' firstfruit sons all were slay because they do not have blood cover doorposts.

These passage of true passover story happened in Egypt have do nothing with the timing of His coming.

Throughout Bible teaching us that we are saved by through His blood only, nothing new to us since from the Old Testament to today.

Flood and Sodom both were perfect example of Second Coming, what happened to all unsaved people. When once Christ comes with his angels, all unsaved people will be destroyed immediately by with gathering them up in the air, and cast them away into everlasting fire. There will be no another second chance of salvation with repentance when once after Christ comes with his angels. It will be too late for them.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

From Passover to Pentecost, each event in the NT occurred on the "EXACT DATE" given for it's corresponding "feast", yet you say there is no relationship between them??

How does God protect his people when Satan is given power over "ALL" people, (tongues/nations)

Where is the "exception/protection" clause in that verse??

Have you wondered why Israel is blinded until the "fulness of the Gentiles" ?? (church rapture)

If God wants to deal with Israel, why doesn't he go ahead and do it while Jesus is dealing with the "Church", or is there a reason he can't, and what would be that reason???


"Leadership" by the "law and prohets", "Signs and wonders" can't function at the same time as "Leadership" by "Jesus/comforter", which Jesus said he would give "NO SIGNS", save Jonas.

Israel won't believe without "Signs and wonders". Jews require a "sign".

The "law and prophet" stopped with John/Jesus, (church) and won't return until the "Fulness of Jesus/church, Rapture.

The last week of Daniel's prophecy is under the "leadership" of the "law (Moses) and "prophet" (Elijah), the Two winesses.

The trib period is full of "signs and wonders", by both the two witnesses/false Prophet, but Jesus said "HE" wouldn't give any.

Mt 16:1 The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would shew them a sign from heaven.

Mt 16:4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas.

Re 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

The "TRINITY" doesn't just explain the "GODHEAD", it also explains the "scriptures".

FATHER (God) Law and prophets, Signs and wonders, power on the side of the Oppressor. (No Comforter)

SON, Jesus, Comforter/Holy Ghost, no signs and wonders, Comforter present, Oppressor power"LESS".

Everything in scripture, from the feast to doctrine, all point to the "PRE TRIB RAPTURE" of the church,

I wouldn't become dogmatic until I got all the "FACTS".

 

Ed

I am impressed to say the least. That puts you on par with Criswell [according to Todd White]. You are in distinguished company. Sadly you are both wrong.:tear: As noted in an above post, dispensationalism can be traced back to Darby who apparently got it from a revelation given in tongues to one Margaret MacDonald.:smilewinkgrin: