The other verses....Matthew 23:13, Matthew 13:1-23, James 2:5, 1 Corinthians 1:26-28, 1 Peter 1:3-5, and 1 Peter 2:9-10....Will fellow after we look at this verse. A thread just came to the end, before others were able to give their own input. Below was the last post... ***************************** Really? Let me ask you this, did you in any way speculate that God "obtained" information from something or someone? Maybe its not. You just quote it a lot as if it is. Your "support verses" I plan on going through one my one in time. Just now I'm asking about one. 2 Thessalonians 2:13 I'll add that to the list... Good... So the HOLY SPIRIT Places us >>>>>INTO CHRIST Right? Good So GOD places us>>>>>>IN CHRIST. Eph 2 says this is JUSTIFICATION and sanctification 1st...Romans 8 does not say this. It is asking who can bring a charge. And that charge has does not have to do with sin, but God atoning power. But more to your point...So Eph 1...Elect before the foundation of the world ...means we are saved before we are born??????????? This means your view is wrong. Christ.... I peter 1:20... He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake. Believers.. Eph 1:4 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight Romans 4 is telling us that the Law cannot save us. Set apart...for what reason? >>>>>>> Check out Isa 43.. Set apart to believe. And...this is just what your verse says. 1st "through sanctification of the Spirit" .....Or ........SET APART BY HOLY SPIRIT>>>HIS WORK ALONE. What comes next??? 2nd ...and belief of the truth Pretty clear....right?