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#2: Why so much against KJB-only?

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by Ed Edwards, Feb 26, 2004.

  1. robycop3

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    Sorry, A-A, but NONE of those Scriptures even hint at using any one version, let alone a version that didn't exist written in a language that didn't exist when God gave those Scriptures.

    You're like a man trying to lift himself in the air by standing in a bucket & yanking on its handle. Good Scriptures(as all Scriptures are)but irrelevant to the subject.
     
  2. Precepts

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    You're trying your best to discredit the language that causes you to squirm so much in the very language itself Cranston. y'know? the one that didn't exist when God gave the scriptures through inspriation and it came out in a language known to men at that place and time and has been translated into the English of the KJB as accurately over any other version ?

    Tell us all what the Bible says in Greek so we can understand it better, then we have to learn Greek to know what we already know by the KJB in English... and the monkey chased the weasel.
     
  3. Ed Edwards

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    I have repeatedly
    petitioned that you give the source of your
    Bible quotes so i can check then out
    as a good Borean should do.

    John 16:13 (KJ21)
    However when He, the Spirit of Truth,
    is come, He will guide you into all truth;


    Nope, not the KJ21.
    I do note this modern version
    capitalizes "Truth". Additionaly
    respect for members of the
    Holy Trinity are shown by capital
    letters on the pronouns denoting
    members of the Holy Trinity.
    I note also that the KJB does
    not show this respect.

    Any particular reason why I have to
    do this exercise every time that you
    post and i want to be a good Borean?
    BTW, my modern version says that the
    Spirit of Truth wil lead me unto all
    truth. The Spirit of Truth has lead
    me to have faith that the KJ21 contains
    the inerrant Holy Scripture preserved
    by the mighty power of Divine Providence
    in my language for the 21st Century
    (i live there, you know ;) ).

    What was your point?
    BTW, what is "Howbeit"?
    Zat were i say "Yo, Dude Howbeit"?
    (actually i usually say "houseitgoin'?" )
    Maybe I should check the KJV1611 edition?

    S.Iohn XVI:13 (KJV1611):

    Howbeit , when hee the spirit of
    trueth is come, he wil guide you into all
    trueth ; For ...


    Nah, can't be the KJB :confused:

    John 16:13 (KJV1873):

    Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth:

    Ah, ha! found it. You is quoting the
    KJB 1873 edition. Sure would have saved
    some time had you told me that up front
    and i pray you will do so in the future,
    thank you.

    [​IMG]
     
  4. rsr

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    Precepts said:

    Well, it would read fine, I suppose. At least it would be germane to the discussion.
     
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    Well, I have been gone for a while. Why I am KJVO? I'm not. haha
    Same ole' argument, same old statements. God bless each of you. The KJV is a wonderful book, but so is my NASB (for example). Funny, as hard as I have tried, when you read the "entire" Bible in either translation, You come up with the same thing. Jesus Christ is the Only begotten Son of God and he was the sacrifice for our sins when he died on the cross (only to be resurrected in three days). Believe on Him and you have eternal life.

    I think if Satan was involved in that translation, then he put the wrong message in it, if he was trying to get his point across.

    I keep hearing "1611, 1611, 1611". Funny, the KJV we use today is a far cry from the 1611 KJV. If it was being preserved during its translation, who decided to get rid of the apocrypha? Man?

    What was used for a Bible before 1611?

    I've asked these questions in 2001, but would like to see the answers from some new members.

    Ooops! Does this mean a person who gave his life to the Lord Jesus while reading a copy of the NIV is not really saved? Why would the devil even have the message of Jesus Christ?

    Do NOT get me wrong as Dr. Griffin mentioned, you can love the KJV and read it entirely and that is great, but by default that is NOT the description of a KJVO fan. I for one personally love the old English in the KJV, but I also like reading the Bible in my own language rather than an archaic language which we no longer speak and therefore misunderstand a LOT of the words used.

    I also mention that the comparisons of left out verses, etc. can go two directions.

    I think saying the KJV is a fully inspired translation is rather odd since we elected to throw out several of the books, since the translation.

    God Bless each and every one of you, even you KJVO's. I just think if there is any confusion, could it be possible that the confusion among other Christians and the KJV is coming from you? Just curious. ;)
     
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    Precepts said:

    I would like to respond to this, but I have no idea what it means. Can someone help?
     
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    Peace and love to you all in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour!


    robycop,
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    robycop quoted:

    You're like a man trying to lift himself in the air by standing in a bucket & yanking on its handle. Good Scriptures(as all Scriptures are)but irrelevant to the subject.
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    How can you say that the Holy Spirit is irrelevant to the subject of the scriptures? The Holy Spirit is the third person of the Godhead and HE is VERY RELEVANT to this subject at hand, which is the VERY WORD OF GOD HIMSELF. Guess who the word of God is? The very person who you call your Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ! Think about this robycop. Your questions have been answered many times and you seem not to be understanding the answer. Just because you do not understand the answer, doesn't mean it hasn't been truthfully answered. You have had about 4 or 5 of us here tell you this very same thing.


    May the Lord richly bless you with knowledge and understanding robycop.

    love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
    michelle
     
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    Peace and love to you all in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour!


    Ed,
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    Ed quoted:

    I have repeatedly
    petitioned that you give the source of your
    Bible quotes so i can check then out
    as a good Borean should do
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    Why do you need his help in giving you the source of Bible quotes, you think you would have become accustomed to the shuffling around of the plethora of versions you own. You should be experienced at this sort of thing, and not mind whatsoever to do what you most likely do on a daily basis. Paul said that a man must work to show himself approved of God, but I didn't realize it meant having to shuffle around a plethora of versions to find out the answers.

    I liken the modern versions to that of eating lays potato chips - you can't have just one!

    heee heee heee. Just adding a little fun humor!

    May the Lord richly bless you all.

    Love in Jesus Christ our Lord,
    michelle
     
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    No, the word is the Bible. The Word is Jesus.
     
  10. Ed Edwards

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    Amen, Brother Phillip -- Preach it! [​IMG]

    May lots of good blessings from God be
    unto Brother Phillip, his family, and
    his ministry. Amen!

    Did you get skipped by for Jury duty
    in the Terry Nickles trial going on
    in your town?

    [​IMG]
     
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    I would like to respond to this, but I have no idea what it means. Can someone help? </font>[/QUOTE]Let me know too, I was using the cranial Cranston transplant at the time I posted it. But I know I'm right about what it says, Cranston does too!
     
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    Nobody, said any such thing
    nor even came close to saying each thing.

    You are sure giving the air a sound beating.
    It is vain to beat the air so. :eek:
     
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    Especially since Ed is running around the mulberry bush.
     
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    Peace and love to you all in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour!

    Phillip,

    I do agree with your statement that the same message is relayed, but our spiritual growth is also very important, if we desire to please the Lord in being in HIS will in our lives. Regarding your quote below:

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    Phillip quoted:

    I think if Satan was involved in that translation, then he put the wrong message in it, if he was trying to get his point across.
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    Let me remind you of something VERY important about Satan:

    Genesis 3:1

    1 Now the serpent was more subtile than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

    subtle: 1. thin; not dense 2. mentally keen 3. delicately skillful 4. crafty 5. not obvious.

    By this description, Satan, the serpent, is subtle, and this is the way he decieves and leads astray God's people. He also uses the word of God to do this, as you can see in this example. So now, please tell me that you think that Satan would tamper/corrupt the gospel message in an obvious way to God's people? Or rather would he decieve you into thinking God said something, He did not say, or leave out something God did say, in a clever and delicately skillful manner? PLease ask this question to yourself, and answer yourself honestly.

    May the Lord our God shower upon you all many blessings.

    love in Jesus Christ our Lord,
    michelle
     
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    I would like to respond to this, but I have no idea what it means. Can someone help? </font>[/QUOTE]Sorry, brother Rsr, don't look
    for me. I have enough problem translating
    the Elizabethian English into 21st century
    English. I sure can't understand this.

    It might mean that IF one assumes that
    the KJB (which one, i don't know) is
    written in the exact language God
    intended; then the KJB is
    written in the exact language God
    intended.

    The hard part of this teaching is
    that as the perfect KJV1611 was enhansed
    through 40 "upgrades" (i.e. printing
    errors corrected ;) ) and made perfecter
    then perfectist - never mind.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Peace and love to you all in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour!

    rsr,

    You quoted:

    No, the word is the Bible. The Word is Jesus.
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    Okay, let us go one step further. Who do you think the word in the Bible is speaking of? What do you think the word of God is all about?

    May the Lord richly bless you all.

    love in Jesus Christ our Lord,
    michelle
     
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    Some keep saying that KJV-onlyers say the same thing. Seems true, if we believe and agree with arguments why should we change. Mv's are the ones that change about every three years. Plus, mv's arguments all seem to say the same thing also. I dont mind though. I use only the KJV and will support only it and mvs to me are not Bibles. That statement is not dangerous or heresy. I kind of liked it. We all will just agree to disagree, as always. Also, I wouldnt dare ask my pastor to come and debate with anyone here. To say you will make my pastor squirm is arrogance, clear and simple. My pastor has used the KJV all his life and now all of a sudden because he does not agree with you he is wrong. Arrogance. You shake up my pastor? No way. He is not perfect but he is better than that. I could not use a mv nor could I preach out of one. Scary to even think about. You use it if God allows you to but dont expect me by the grace of God ever to agree with it. I do not condemn you. But I certainly wouldnt condone it.
     
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    Can't preach that?
     
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    CDG:Some keep saying that KJV-onlyers say the same thing. Seems true, if we believe and agree with arguments why should we change.

    Because they're incorrect. Preaching the Gospel shouldn't be based upon untruths.


    Mv's are the ones that change about every three years. Plus, mv's arguments all seem to say the same thing also.

    Our arguments don't change for the simple fact that the KJVO cannot disprove them. For example, we repeatedly ask KJVOs by whose authority they are KJVO and by whose authority they tell others they should be KJVO and all we get for answers is more spin.

    I dont mind though. I use only the KJV and will support only it and mvs to me are not Bibles. That statement is not dangerous or heresy. I kind of liked it.

    But it IS in error. the bad thing about it is when such error is fed to a neophyte Christian or a lost person seeking Christ. If you with to not take advantage of all that God has for you, fine. But when we see the KJVO myth being proclaimed, we attack it as we should attack any other false doctrine.


    We all will just agree to disagree, as always. Also, I wouldnt dare ask my pastor to come and debate with anyone here.

    Because you know he'd lose.


    To say you will make my pastor squirm is arrogance, clear and simple. My pastor has used the KJV all his life and now all of a sudden because he does not agree with you he is wrong. Arrogance. You shake up my pastor? No way. He is not perfect but he is better than that.

    In other words, you're AFRAID to perform the simple, harmless little test I proposed-to ask him for some Scripture from the KJV that supports the KJVO myth. You KNOW what the answer would be, and you don't wanna hear it nor see him baffled.


    I could not use a mv nor could I preach out of one. Scary to even think about.

    That's YOUR loss.


    You use it if God allows you to but dont expect me by the grace of God ever to agree with it. I do not condemn you. But I certainly wouldnt condone it.

    So if you wish to continue to live in a myth begun by a 7th Day Adventist, a myth that's been proven totally false many times over, be my guest.
     
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    Roby,

    I havent exactly seen proof for you arguments. Again, I wouldnt ask my pastor to come on here and debate. Lose? Is that all it is to you, winning or losing an argument? I think one Bible makes things simple not complicated, it should make it easier for a new believer not harder. The KJV has worked since 1611, a friend of mine got saved on Tuesday of last week, he has grown up with only the KJV. The KJV works for lost people. What is the myth exactly, and do you know as bro. ed does that no one before 1976 believed in only the KJV(except my pastor), do you know in the same way that no one before this 7th day adventist believed this myth? Are you certain? My loss, when I have the Bible, why go to a commentary for my Scripture reading and understanding? The arguments presented by both sides dont sem to change, each side believes strongly for their views and as strongly against the other sides views. So I dont change and you dont change, please quit arguing with that we dont when you dont. And dont say "But we are right". Funny, thats what we believe about ourselves, too. Each belief, in the end must be accepted by faith. I believe my Version is right. And you believe your versions are right.
    rsr, if it is not the KJV, I will not preach out of it.
     
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