2008: Condi vs. Hillary - For Whom Would You Vote?

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2008: Condi vs. Hillary - For Whom Would You Vote?

  1. Condoleezza Rice

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  2. Hillary Clinton

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  3. A Minor Party Candidate

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  4. I Wouldn't Vote

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  1. KenH

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    Scenario: It's 2008. The Draft Condi Movement has been successful and the GOP has nominated Condi Rice for president with Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty as her running mate. Hillary Clinton has beaten all Democrat challengers and won the Democratic Party nomination and has New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson as her running mate.

    For whom would you vote based on your knowledge/feelings today?
     
  2. Joseph_Botwinick

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    I am not sure. On the one hand we have Condi who is mildly pro-choice, and Hillary who wants abortion to be safe, legal, and rare. Not much difference there.

    Let's move on to another issue:

    War in Iraq: Just a guess on my part, but I think that most of our troops will be home by 08 (just a guess...I could be wrong in which case I would continue to support the mission and the troops), and foreign policy will not be as big of an issue as it is today.

    Supreme Court: Bush will have the court for the next 10 years at least picked. This is a non-issue.

    Affrimative Action: Found this about Condi:

    That is certainly a good thing. But then there was this next sentence:

    Well, Condi, which is it? Do you have Kerry syndrome?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condi_Rice

    Ok. Besides being really good on foreign policy, please tell me her stance on any other issue that makes her a good candidate for president. You are not just a one issue person, are you?

    Since I see no real difference between her and Hillary at this point, I would have to say that I would either stay home or possibly vote for Hillary just to send a message to the GOP (the latter choice is actually unlikely to happen :D ).

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  3. KenH

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    I like her position of being for parental notification, being against partial birth and late term abortions, being against government funding on abortion.

    I have no problem with affirmative action being taken into account in hiring/promoting/admissions within reason as long as quotas aren't used.
     
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    What does mildly pro-choice mean? When she said "race can be a factor", what did she mean? Was she referring to quotas?

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    In her words, being "midly pro-choice" means that abortion is a issue that should be left between a woman and her doctor and the government should stay out of it.

    I don't guess I have to tell you how I voted in the poll. ;) It's going to be an interesting two years!

    Both Hillary and Condi are already registered with the FEC for office of President. The big question is will Condi get a chance to serve for two years as VP if Cheney steps down in the next few months.

    http://query.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/can_detail/P80002868/
    http://query.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/can_detail/P00003392/
     
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    http://ohiogop.blogs.com/state_of_the_union/2005/03/abortion_the_go.html
     
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    1) No anti-abortion amendment to the federal constitution. I have previously noted her support of restrictions on abortion.

    2) No.

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    What was she referring to then?

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  9. KenH

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    Except that they didn't do the registering. It is my understanding that anyone can register a candidate with the FEC.
     
  10. KenH

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    What I previously explained.
     
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    What is affirmative action?

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    "Affirmative action began as corrective for past governmental and social injustices against demographic groups that have been subjected to prejudice. Such groups are characterized most commonly by race, sex or gender, or ethnicity. Affirmative action seeks to increase the representation of these demographic groups in schools, in work place, and in society in general.

    A certain minority group or gender may be less proportionately represented in an area, often employment or education, due predominantly, in the view of proponents, to past or ongoing discrimination against members of the group. The theory is that a simple adoption of meritocratic principles along the lines of race-blindness or gender-blindness would not suffice to change the situation for several reasons:

    - Discrimination practices of the past preclude the aquisition of 'merit' by limiting access to educational opportunities and job experiences.

    - Ostensible measures of 'merit' might well be biased toward the same groups who were already empowered.

    - Regardless of overt principles, people already in positions of power will be likely to hire people they already knew, and/or people from similar backgrounds.

    In such a circumstance, proponents believe government action giving members of the minority group preferential treatment is necessary in order to achieve a proportionate distribution.

    From its outset, affirmative action was seen as a transitional strategy, with the intent that over some period of time—variously estimated from a generation to a century—the effects of past discrimination would be sufficiently countered that such a strategy would no longer be necessary: the power elite would reflect the demographics of society at large.

    Though affirmative action in the U.S. is primarily associated with racial issues, the American civil rights movement originally gave as its purpose the correction of a history of oppression against all working-class and low-income people, and women have figured as prominently as ethnic minorities among its beneficiaries."

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    From the same link that Ken posted above:

    Sure looks like quotas to me.

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    Whatever floats your boat, Joseph, when it comes to descriptons. [​IMG]

    Affirmative action can degenerate into quotas but it doesn't have to.
     
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    Ken,

    How do you think affirmative action should be handled? Do you think race should be taken into account when hiring someone, or should it be based on the merits of the person?

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    Race, or gender, or any number of things, can/are taken into account when hiring.
     
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    What about their merit / qualifications? Why should race or gender be taken into account when hiring? Didn't MLK say something about judging the content of their character and not the color of their skin?

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    MLK supported affirmative action.

    Gotta head for bed so I can get up early in case Judge Alito is nominated early tomorrow morning to the SCOTUS. [​IMG]
     
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    Indeed he did. Seems a bit hypocritical of him, doesn't it? It would seem to me that he would want only what the Constitution offered but didn't deliver to everyone: Opportunity.

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    Hillary is the next President anyway, fellas. She's from Yale. She has been annointed by the globalists/illuminati - NWO. Watch and see.
     

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