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Featured 3 Days & 3 Nights; & the Last Week of Jesus, Trials, Crucifixion, Death, Burial, Res.

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    Methodist: Adam Clarke (AD 1760 or AD 1762 – AD 1832) Commentary:

    Daniel 8:14:

    "Unto two thousand and three hundred days - Though literally it be two thousand three hundred evenings and mornings. Yet I think the prophetic day should be understood here, as in other parts of this prophet, and must signify so many years. …" - http://biblehub.com/commentaries/clarke/daniel/8.htm​

    Daniel 8:26:

    “... The vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true - That mentioned in Daniel 8:14.

    For it shall be for many days - Not less than two thousand three hundred years! ...” - http://biblehub.com/commentaries/clarke/daniel/8.htm​

    Methodist: Rev. Joseph Benson (AD 1749 – AD 1821) Commentary:

    Daniel 8:13:

    “... It must, however, be remembered, that many interpreters understand these days in the same sense in which days are generally understood by this prophet, namely, for years; and thus refer the prophecy to antichrist, ... This will carry us on to a still distant time in the church of God, to the completion of that opposition to the church of Christ which has been wished for long since, when the sanctuary will be perfectly cleansed, and to which the twelve hundred ninety and thirteen hundred thirty-five years of chap. 12. must have a reference. Sir Isaac Newton, Obs., chap. 9., not only reckons the days to be years, but will have the horn to be Rome, and does not refer it at all to Antiochus; and in this he is followed, in a great measure, by Bishop Newton ...” - http://biblehub.com/commentaries/benson/daniel/8.htm​

    Calvinism (German): Johann Peter Lange's (AD 10 April 1802, - AD 9 July 1884) Commentary on the Old Testament of AD 1882:

    Daniel 8:14 [Lange cites others prevalent]:

    “... that class of interpreters, quite common in this country and Great Britain, but comparatively rare in Germany, who understand by the days in question so many years, and generally apply the prophecy to the continuance of the papal supremacy. ... Others, adopting the same substitution of years for “days,”... Elliott, the strongest advocate of this theory ... Horæ Apocalypticæ ...” - http://biblehub.com/commentaries/lange/daniel/8.htm​

    English Baptist: John Gill (AD 23 November 1697 – AD 14 October 1771):

    Daniel 8:14:

    “... unto two thousand and three hundred days; or so many "mornings" and "evenings" ... so many years, as Jacchiades, and others ...” - http://biblehub.com/commentaries/gill/daniel/8.htm​

    Sir Isaac Newton (AD 25 December 1642 – AD 20 March 1727) Commentary:

    Daniel 8:14:

    "...[8] Daniel, one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. Daniel's days are years ...

    ... The Sanctuary and Host were trampled under foot 2300 days; and in Daniel's Prophecies days are put for years: but the profanation of the Temple in the reign of Antiochus did not last so many natural days. …" - Observations Upon the Prophecies of Daniel, the Apocalypse of St. John; Chapter IX - http://books.google.com/books?id=s1_EkzlLWrMC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false​

    Even a Roman Catholic (Layman, Scientist): Arnold of Villanova (AD 1235 – AD 1313), on Daniel 8:14:

    Daniel 8:14:

    "... When he says 'two thousand three hundred days' it must be said that by days he understands years. This is clear through the explanation of the angel when he says that in the end the vision will be fulfilled, from which he gives it to be understood by clear expression that in that vision by days are understood years. ..." - Translated from Arnold of Villanova, Introductio in Librum [Joachim] De Semine, fol. 7 v, col. 2, line 34 to fol. 8 r, col. 1, line 2.

    "... It is not unaccustomed, in the Scripture of God, for days to under-stand years. Nay, it is certainly usual and frequent. Whence also the Spirit in Ezekiel testifies: 'A day for a year I have reckoned to you. ..." - Translated from Arnold of Villanova, Introductio in Librum [Joachim] De Semine,, fol. 8 r, col. 1, lines 14-20.

    As translated/quoted in Leroy Edwin Froom, The Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers, Volume 1; Page 750​

    " ... 'Up to the evening and the morning, two thousand three hundred days.' By a day, however, he understands a year. ..." - Tractatus de Tempore Adventus Antichristi (Treatise on the Time of the Coming of Antichrist), fol. 59 v, col. 2 to fol. 60 r, col. 2.

    As translated/quoted in LeRoy Edwin Froom, The Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers, Volume 1, Page 752​

    " ... 'From the time when the continual sacrifice will have been taken away, and there will have been set up'—that is, up to the time when will be set up—`the abomination upon the desolation' namely, of the faithful people, 'a thousand two hundred and ninety days.' And here, just as above, by a day a year is understood, which is clear through what precedes, since it says 'And when the dispersion of the power of the holy people, all these things will be completed.' ..." - Tractatus de Tempore Adventus Antichristi (Treatise on the Time of the Coming of Antichrist), fol. 61 r, col. 2, line 28 to fol. 61 v, col. 1, lin.

    As translated/quoted in LeRoy Edwin Froom, The Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers, Volume 1, Page 753​

    " ... it is certain, as was clear above, that Daniel under the name of days gives us to understand years and not usual days ...”

    “... such an understanding agrees with the common concepts of men and the truth of Sacred Scripture commonly known. ..." - Tractatus de Tempore Adventus Antichristi (Treatise on the Time of the Coming of Antichrist), fol. 63 r, col. 1, lines 21-32.

    As translated/quoted in LeRoy Edwin Froom, The Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers, Volume 1, Page 754-755​
    - http://docs.adventistarchives.org/docs/PFOF/PFOF1950-V01.pdf#view=fit​
     
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    The above grandiloquence is of such magnitude it won't have plain for plumbers, Scriptures.

    Claimed: <<<demonstrated from the Scripture, let us consider a little more the Year, Jesus was to die.>>> and off you go with one heck of a book of dates and names and politicking WHILE THERE IS NOT A SCRIPTURE telling its poorest reader, me, <<<the Year, Jesus was to die>>> what died!!

    Must one have to have a master's degree in history, in mathematics and in language each at least to be saved?

    PS

    ...and nowadays, in Information Technology.
     
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    I cannot wait. I have not yet compiled the following with the English. But the Scriptures are given and the transliteration of the Greek Text. I cannot wait because the above garbage must be exposed for what it really is : just garbage.

    I therefore place as far as I have finished ...
    'A Chronological Synopsis of the Four Gospels at Jesus' Last Passover-Suffering, Death and Resurrection'

    ...<demonstrated from the Scripture, let us consider a little...> SCRIPTURE!

    Tussen Kruis en Klip — Between Tree and Stone
    28 04 15

    — Tussen Duisternis en Nag
    — between Darkness and Night

    Markus 15:37
    Toe roep Jesus ’n luide roep en blaas (die laaste) asem uit.
    Ho de Iehsous apheis phohnehn megalehn eksepneusen.

    Lukas 23:46
    Toe, terwyl Jesus met ’n groot stem uitgeroep het, het Hy gesê:
    Kai phohnehsas phohnehi megalehi ho Iehsous eipen:

    Vader, in U hande gee Ek my gees oor! En terwyl Hy dit sê, het Hy (sy laaste) asem uitgeblaas.
    Pater, eis cheiras sou paratithemai to pneuma mou! Touto de eipohn eksepneusen.

    Matteus 27:46
    Omtrent die negende uur het Jesus uitgeroep met ’n groot stem en gesê:
    Peri de tehn enatehn hohran aneboehsen ho Iehsous phohnehi megalehi legohn:

    Eli Eli lema sabachthani? Dit is: My God My God, waarom het U My verlaat?
    Ehli Ehli lema sabachthani? Tout’ estin: Thee mou Thee mou, hinati me enkatelipes?

    Matteus 27:50
    Terwyl Hy weer uitroep, het Jesus die gees gegee.
    Ho de Iehsous palin kraksas phohnehi megalehi aphehken to pneuma.

    Markus 15:38
    En die voorhangsel van die tempel het in twee geskeur van bo tot onder.
    Kai to katapetasma tou naou eschistheh eis duo ap’ anohthen heohs katoh.

    Lukas 23:45b
    En die voorhangsel van die tempel was in die middel deurgeskeur.
    Eschistheh de to katapesmata tou naou meson.

    Matteus 27:51a
    En dadelik was die voorhangsel van die tempel van bo tot onder in twee geskeur.
    Kai idou to katapetasma tou naou eschistheh ap’ anohthen heohs katoh eis duo,

    Matteus 27:51b-52a
    en die aarde het geskud en die rotse het geskeur en die grafte was oopgemaak. [1]
    kai heh geh eseistheh kai hai petrai eschisthehsan kai ta mnehmeia aneohichthehsan.

    Markus 15:39
    En toe die hoofman oor honderd op sy pos oorkant Hom, sien hoedat Hy gesterf het, het hy gesê:
    Idohn de ho kenturiohn ho parestehkohs eks enantias autou hoti houtohs eksepneusen, eipen:

    Waarlik, hierdie Man was die Seun van God.
    Alehthohs, houtos ho anthrohpos Whios Theou ehn.

    Lukas 23:47
    Die hoofman oor honderd het by aanskoue van wat gebeur het, God verheerlik
    Idohn de ho hekatontarchehs to genomenon edoksadzen ton Theon

    en verklaar, Voorwaar, hierdie man was regverdig!
    legohn: Ontohs, ho anthrohpos houtos, dikaios ehn.

    Mattheus 27:54
    Toe die hoofman oor honderd en dié wat saam met hom waggehou het by Jesus, die aardbewing sien en alles wat gebeur het,
    Ho de hekatontarchos kai hoi met’ autou tehrountes ton Iehsoun idontes ton seismon kai ta ginomena,

    was hulle baie bang en het uitgeroep: Sowaar hierdie man was die Seun van God!
    ephobehthehsan sphodra legontes: alehthohs Theou Wios ehn houtos.

    Markus 15:40
    En daar was ook vroue wat van ver af gekyk het,
    Ehsan de kai gunaikes apo maprothen theohrousai,

    onder andere Maria Magdalena, en Maria van Klein Jakobus (die) moeder van Josetus, en Salome—
    en hais kai Maria heh Magdalehneh kai Maria heh Iakohbou tou mikrou kai Iohsehtos mehtehr kai Zalohmeh—

    Markus 15:41
    hulle wat Hom, toe Hy in Galilea was, gedien het
    hai hote ehn en tehi Galilaiai ehkolouthoun autohi kai diehkonoun autohi

    en baie ander vroue wat saam met Hom opgekom het na Jerusalem.
    kai allai pollai hai sunanabasai autohi eis Ierousoluma.

    Lukas 23:49
    En al sy kennisse het ver weg gebly staan—
    Heistehkeisan de pantes hoi ginohstoi autohi apo makrothen,
    ook vroue wat Hom uit Galilea vergesel het, terwyl hulle hierdie dinge sien gebeur.
    kai gunaikes hai sunakolouthousai autohi apo tehs Galilaias horohsai tauta.

    Matteus 27:55
    En daar was baie vroue wat van ver af gekyk het,
    Ehsan de ekei gunaikes pollai apo makrothen theohrousai,

    hulle wat Jesus vanuit Galilea gevolg het en Hom (daar) gedien het:
    haitines ehkolouthehsan tohi Iehsou apo tehs Galilaias diakonousai autohi:

    onder wie Maria Magdalena en Maria van Jokobus moeder van Josefus, en die moeder van die seuns van Sebedeus.
    en hais ehn Maria heh Magdalehneh kai Maria heh tou Iakohbou kai Iohsehph mehtehr, kai heh mehtehr tohn wiohn Zebedaiou.

    Lukas 23:48
    En die hele gepeupel wat saamgekom het om hierdie drama te sien,
    Kai pantes hoi sumparagenomenoi ochloi epi tehn theohrian tautehn,

    het, terwyl hulle gesien het wat gebeur, met bonsende hart, teruggevlug.
    theohrehsantes ta genomena, tuptontes ta stehtheh, hupestrephon.

    [2]

    Van ná vooraand af tot ná vooraand sal julle jul sabbat hou.
    Kai tapeinohsete tas psuchas humohn apo hesperas heohs hesperas sabbatieite ta sabbata humohn.
    [Van aand tot aand (‘ereb’) moet julle jul sabbat hou.] Levitikus 23:32

    Markus 15:42
    En toe dit alreeds aand geword het omdat (die) Voorbereiding wat die Voor-Sabbat is, aangebreek het . . . .
    Kai ehdeh opsias genomenehs epei ehn paraskeueh ho estin prosabbaton . . . .

    Matteus 27:57
    Nadat dit aand geword het . . . .
    Opsias de genomenehs . . . .

    Johannes 19:31a,b
    het die Jode, (aangesien dit Voorbereiding geword het
    hoi oun Ioudaiohn epei Paraskeueh ehn gar
    31d
    want daardie dag was die groot-dag-sabbat [van die pasga])
    ehn gar megaleh heh hehmera ekeinou tou sabbatou [tou pascha]]
    31e,c
    sodat die liggame nie op die kruise sou bly hang op die sabbat nie
    hina meinehi epi tou staurou ta sohmata en tohi sabbatohi
    31f
    Pilatus gevra dat hulle bene gebreek en hulle weggeneem moes word.
    ehrohtehsan ton Pilaton hina kateagohsin autohn ta skeleh kai arthohsin.

    Johannes 19:32,33,34

    Johannes 19:38
    Ná hierdie dinge —versigtig, uit wantroue jeens die Jode—
    Meta de tauta ... kekrummenos de dia ton phobon tohn Ioudaiohn ...

    het Josef van Arimathea omdat hy ’n dissipel van Jesus was, Pilatus versoek
    ehrohtehsen ton Pilaton Iohsehph apo Harimathaias ohn mathehtehs tou Iehsou

    of hy Jesus se liggaam kon kry.
    hina arehi to sohma tou Iehsouh.

    Markus 15:43
    . . . .kom Josef van Arimatea (daar aan). Vreesloos het hy ingegaan na Pilatus en vir Jesus se liggaam gevra.
    . . . .elthohn Iohsehph ho apo Harimathaias ... tolmehsas eisehlthen pros ton Pilaton kai ehitehsato to sohma tou Iehsou.

    Lukas 23:50
    Kyk! Daar kom ’n man genaamd Josef ... 51 van Arimatea aan! 52 Die nimlike gaan by Pilatus in, en vra die liggaam van Jesus!
    Kai idou anehr onomati ‘Iohsehph ... 51 apo Arimathaias ... 52 houtos proselthohn tohi Pilatohi ehitehsato to sohma tou Iehsou.

    Matteus 27:57
    . . . .daag daar ’n man genaamd Josef van Arimatea (op).
    . . . .ehlthen anthrohpos apo Harimathaias tounoma Iohsehph ...
    58a
    Hy naamlik, het ingegaan na Pilatus en vir Jesus se liggaam gevra.
    Houtos proselthohn tohi Pilatohi ehitehsato to sohma tou Iehsou.

    Markus 15:44
    Pilatus was egter verbaas dat Jesus al dood was, en hy het die hoofman oor honderd geroep en hom gevra of hy lankal gesterf het. 45 Op bevestiging van die hoofman, het Pilatus die lyk aan Josef toegestaan.
    Ho de Pilatos ethaumasen ei ehdeh tethnehken, kai proskalesamenos ton kenturiohna epehrohtehsen auton ei palai epethanen. 45 Kai gnous apo tou kenturiohnos, edohrehsato to ptohma tohi Iohsehph.

    Johannes 19:38f
    Pilatus het dit inderdaad goedgekeur.
    Kai epetrepsen ho Pilatos.

    Matteus 27:58b
    Toe het Pilatus beveel dat die liggaam afgelewer word.
    Tote ho Pilatos ekeleusen apodothehnai.

    Johannes 19:38g
    Josef het (huistoe) gegaan en die liggaam ontvang.
    Ehlthen oun kai ehren to sohma autou.

    Markus 15:46a
    In gekoopte linne het hy Hom neergelê en toegedraai in die linne.
    Kai agorasas sindona kathelohn auton eneilehsen tehi sindoni.

    Lukas 23:53a
    . . . .en hy het die liggaam neergelê en in linnedoek toegedraai.
    . . . .kai kathelohn evetuliksen auto sindoni.

    Matteus 27:59
    Met sorg het Josef die liggaam geneem en dit in skoon linne toegedraai.
    Kai labohn to sohma ho Iohsehph enetuliksen auto en sindoni katharai.

    Johannes 19:39a
    Nikodemus het ook opgedaag nadat hy hom ontmoet het by “die Eerste Nag”, [3]
    Ehlthen de kai Nikodehmus elthohn pros auton Nuktos to Prohton,
    39b
    en ’n mengsel van mirre en aalwyn van omtrent honderd pond saamgebring.
    pherohn migma smurnehs kai aloehs hohs litras hekaton.
    40
    Hulle het toe die liggaam van Jesus behandel en in doeke toegedraai na die speserye:
    Elabon oun to sohma tou Iehsou kai edehsan auto othoniois meta tohn arohmatohn:
    41
    soos eties is vir Jode om te begrawe.
    kathohs ethos estin tois Ioudaiois entaphiadzein.

    Lukas 23:55
    En die vroue het die prosessie agteraan gevorm ... En het die graf aanskou en hoedat sy liggaam ter ruste neergelê was.
    Katakolouthehsasai de hai gunaikes ... Etheasanto to mnehmeion kai hohs etetheh to sohma autou.

    Markus 15:46b
    En Josef het Hom neergelê in sy graf.
    Kai katethehken auton en mnehmati.

    Matteus 27:60
    En Josef het die liggaam in sy nuwe graf begrawe.
    Kai ethehken auto en tohi kainohi autou mnehmeiohi.

    Lukas 23:54
    Want Daardie Dag was Die Voorbereiding gewees midnamiddag voor die Sabbat.
    Kai hehmera ehn Heh Paraskeuehs kai Sabbaton epephohsken.


    [1] Na opstanding Mattheus 27:53,54
    [2] Na dood Johannes et al: Julle sal my almal verlaat
    [3] van ongesuurde brood eet
     
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    By die Graf -- At the Tomb

    1. Die Begrafnis -- The Burial

    Jh19:41 Nou, in die plek waar Hy gekruisig was,
    Ehn de en tohi topohi hopou estaurohtheh

    was daar ’n tuin; en in die tuin ’n nuwe graf
    kehpos, kai en tohi kehpohi mnehmeion kainon

    waarin nog geen mens begrawe was nie—
    en hohi oudepoh oudeis ehn tetheimenos.

    Mk15:46d Josef het Hom neergelê in ’n graf wat uit rots gekap was.
    Iohsehph katethehken auton en mnehmati ho ehn lelatomehmenon ek petras.

    Mt27:60 Josef het Hom neergelê in sy nuwe graf
    Johsehph ethehkan autohi en tohi kainohi autou mnehmeiohi

    wat hy in rots uitgekap het
    ho elatomehsen en tehi petrai

    Lk23:53c Hierdie man het Hom neergelê in ’n graf uitgekap (in klip)
    Houtos ethehken auton en mnehmati lakseutohi

    Lk23:53d waarin nog nooit iemand begrawe was nie.
    hou ouk ehn oudeis oupoh keimenos.

    Mk15:46f En hy het ’n klip teen die deur van die graf gerol.
    Kai prosekulisen lithon epi tehn thuran tou mnehmeiou.

    Mt27:60c En nadat hy ’n groot klip in die deur van die graf gerol het,
    Kai proskulisas lithon megan tehi thurai tou mnehmeiou,

    Mt27:60e het hy weggegaan.
    apehlthen.

    Mk15:47 Maria Magdalena en Maria van Josetus (Jakobus)
    Heh de Maria heh Magdalehneh kai Maria heh Iohsehtos

    het gesien waar Hy neergelê was.
    etheohroun pou tetheutai.
    Mt27:61 Maria Magdalena en die ander Maria was daar
    Ehn de ekei Mariam heh Magdalehneh kai heh alleh Maria

    terwyl hulle teenoor die graf gesit het.
    kathehmenai apenanti tou tafon.

    Jh19:42 Dáár dan, omdat die Jode se voorbereiding(s) begin het
    Ekei oun dia tehn paraskeuehn tohn Ioudaiohn

    en die graf naby en gereed was, het hulle Hom daar neergelê.
    hoti engus ehn to mnehmeion, ethehkan ton Iehsoun.

    Lk23:55 Die vroue het agter die prosessie aan gevolg—
    katakolouthehsasai de hai gunaikes,

    hulle wat saam met Hom uit Galilea gekom het
    haitines ehsan sunelehluthuiai ek tehs Galilaias autohi

    en die graf aanskou het, en hoe sy liggaam neergelê was.
    etheasanto to mnehmeion, kai hohs etetheh to sohma autou.

    Hulle het huistoe gegaan en speserye en salf voorberei, want
    Hupostrepsasai de hehtoimasan arohmata kai mura, kai

    Lk23:54 daardie dag was die Voorbereiding
    hehmera ehn Paraskeuehs

    terwyl die Sabbat nadergekom het.
    kai Sabbaton epephohsken.


    2. Graf Verseël -- The Grave Secured

    Mt28:5a Antwoord en verduidelik die engel aan die vroue :
    Apokritheis de ho anggelos tais gunaiksin:

    Mt27:62 Die OGGEND wat ná die Voorbereiding kom,
    Tehi de epaurion hehtis estin meta tehn Paraskeuehn

    het die hoëpriesters en die Fariseërs vergader
    sunehchthehsan hoi archereis kai hoi Farisaioi

    Mt27:63 (en) voor Pilatus kom redeneer: Meneer, Ons herinner ons
    pros Pilaton, legontes: Kurie, emnehsthehmen

    dat hierdie bedrieër toe hy nog gelewe het, gesê het:
    hoti ekeinos ho planos eipen eti dzohn:

    Op die derde dag sal Ek opstaan!
    meta treis hehmeras egeiromai.

    Mt27:64 Beveel dus dat die graf verseker word
    Keleuson oun asphalisthehnai ton tafon

    solank die derde dag (nog duur)
    heohs tehs tritehs hehmeras

    anders kom sy dissipels [vannag TR]
    mehpote elthontes hoi mathehtai [nuktos]

    en steel hom en vertel die mense
    klepsohsin auton kai eipohsin tohi laohi

    hy het uit die dode opgestaan, sodat
    ehgertheh apo tohn nekrohn kai

    die laaste bedrog erger as die eerste sal wees.
    estai heh eschateh planeh cheirohn tehs prohtehs.

    Mt27:65 Pilatus het hulle geantwoord: Kry julle wag!
    Epheh autois ho Pilatos: Echete koustohdian!

    Gaan verseker die graf soos julle goeddink!
    Hupagete asphalisthase hohs oidate!

    Mt27:66 Hulle het uitgehaas en die graf verseker
    Hoi de poreuthentes asphalisanto ton tafon

    deur die klip te verseël en ’n wag op te stel.
    sphragisantes ton lithon meta tehs koustohdias.


    3. Die engel van die Here en die OPSTANDING -- The Angel of the Lord and the Resurrection

    Mt28:1 MAAR LAAT OP DIE SABBAT
    Opse de Sabbatohn

    IN DIE MID-NAMIDDAG
    tehi epifohskousehi

    teen die Eerste Dag van die week
    eis Mian sabbatohn

    het Maria Magdalena en die ander Maria vertrek
    ehlthen heh Mariam heh Magdaleneh kai heh alleh Maria

    om te gaan kyk (na) die graf.
    theohrehsai ton tafon

    Mt28:2 Maar skielik was daar ’n groot aardbewing
    kai idou seismos egeneto megas

    want ’n engel van die Here het uit die hemel neergedaal
    anggelos gar Kuriou katabas eks ouranou

    en soos hy aangekom het die klip weggewerp
    kai proselthohn apekulisen ton lithon

    en daarop gaan sit.
    kai ekathehtou epanoh autou.

    Mt28:3 Sy verskyning was soos weerlig
    Ehn de heh eidea autou hohs estrapeh

    en sy kleding wit soos sneeu.
    kai to enduma autou leukon hohs chiohn.

    Mt28:4 Van skok en vrees het die wagte inmekaar geslaan
    Apo de tou phobou autou eseisthehsan hoi tehrountes

    en stuiptrekkend soos dooies bewussyn verloor . . .
    kai egenehthehsan hohs nekroi . . .


    4. ’n Oop Graf -- An Open Grave

    Jh20:1 PAS DIE EERSTE DAG VAN DIE WEEK IN,
    Tehi de Miai tohn sabbatohn,

    kom Maria Magdalena NOG VROEG-DONKER
    Maria heh Magdaleneh erchetai proh-i skotias eti ousehs

    na die graf toe aan en sien die klip uit die graf geruk, lê.
    eis to mnehmeion kai blepei ton lithon ek tou mnehmeiou.

    Jh20:2 Sy hardloop net daar terug.
    Trechei oun.

    Toe sy by Simon Petrus kom en by
    Kai erchetai pros Simohna Petron kai pros

    die ander dissipel vir wie Jesus lief was,
    ton allon mathehtehn hon ephilei ho Iehsous

    sê sy vir hulle: Hulle het die Here uit die graf weggevat
    kai legei autois: Ehran ton Kurion ek tou mnehmeiou

    en ons weet nie
    kai ouk oidamen

    waar hulle Hom heen geneem het nie!
    pou ethehkan auton.


    5. Petrus en Johannes -- Peter and John

    Jh20:3 Toe gaan Petrus en die ander dissipel uit
    Eksehlthen oun ho Petros kai ho allos mathehtehs

    en kom by die graf aan ...
    kai ehrchonto eis to mnehmeion ...

    Jn20:6b ... en (Petrus) het die graf ingegaan en die doeke sien lê ...
    ... kai (Petros) eisehlthen eis to mnehmeion

    Jh20:8 Toe gaan die ander dissipel ook in
    Tote oun eisehlthen kai ho allos mathehtehs

    ... en hy het gesien en geglo,
    ... kai eiden kai episteusen

    want hulle het nog gladnie die Skrif verstaan dat (dit)
    oudepoh gar ehideisan tehn Graphehn hoti

    vir Hom beskik was dat Hy uit die dode moes opstaan nie.
    dei auton ek nekrohn anastehnai.


    6. ’n Leë Graf -- An Empty Tomb

    Lk24:1 Op die Eerste Dag van die week
    Tehi de Miai tohn sabbatohn

    OGGEND NET NA MIDDERNAG
    orthrou batheohs

    Lk23:55 het die twee vroue by die graf gekom (en ander saam met hulle)
    epi to mnehma ehlthon (hai duo gunaikis) (kai tines sun autais)

    terwyl hulle hul voorbereide speserye dra.
    pherousai ha hehtoimasan arohmata.

    Lk24:2 Hulle vind toe die stéén verwyder van die graf;
    Heuron de ton lithon apokekulismenon apo tou mnehmeiou

    Lk24:3 maar toe hulle íngaan, kry hulle nie die líggáám van die Here Jesus nie!
    eiselthousai de, oux heuron to sohma tou Kuriou Iehsou.

    Lk24:4 Dit gebeur toe dat, in hulle verdwaasdheid
    Kai egeneto en tohi aporeisthai autas

    hieroor, twee manne (engele) skielik bokant hulle staan
    peri toutohn: kai idou, andres duo epestehsan

    by hulle in glinsterende klere.
    autais en esthehti astraptousehi.

    Lk24:5 Vreesbevange en met gesigte teen die vloer gerig,
    Emphobohn de genomenohn autohn kai klinousohn ta prosohpa eis tehn gehn,

    sê (die engele) vir die vroue:
    eipan pros autas:

    Hoekom soek julle Die Lewende tussen die dooies?
    Ti dzehteite ton Dzohnta meta to nekrohn?

    Lk24:6 Hy is nie hier nie maar was opgewek!
    Ouk estin hohde alla ehgertheh.

    Onthou hoe Hy jullle vertel het toe Hy in Galilea was en gesê het:
    Mnehsthehte hohs elalehsen hehmin eti ohn en tehi Galilaiai, legohn

    Lk24:7 Die Seun van die Mens moet oorgelewer word
    ton Uion tou Anthrohpou hote dei paradothehnai

    in die hande van sondige mense en gekruisig word
    eis cheiras anthrohpohn hamartohlohn kai staurohthehnai

    en op die derde dag weer opstaan.
    kai tehi tritehi hehmerai anastehnai.

    Lk24:8 Hulle het aan Jesus se woorde gedink en onthou.
    Kai emnehsthehsan tohn rhehmatohn autou.

    Lk24:9 Daarop het hulle van die graf af teruggegaan
    Kai hupostrepsasai apo tou mnehmeiou

    (en) al daardie dinge aan die elf vertel en aan al die ander.
    apehngeilan tauta panta tois hendeka kai pasan tois loipois.

    Lk24:22 Sekere vroue uit ons geledere
    Gunaikes tines eks hehmohn

    wat DIEPSTE VROEGOGGEND by die graf was . . .
    genomenai orthrinai epi to mnehmeion . . .

    Lk24:23 en nie die liggaam gevind het nie, het ons (kom) ontstel.
    kai meh heurousai to sohma autou eksestehsan hehmas.
     
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    Lk24:23 Hulle het gekom en vertel dat hulle ’n verskyning van
    Ehlthon legousai kai optasian

    engele gesien het wat sê Hy lewe.
    angelohn heohrakenai hoi legousin auton dzehn.

    Lk24:10 Dit was Maria Magdalena en Johanna
    Ehsan de heh Magdalehneh Maria kai Iohanna

    en Maria van Jakobus en ander saam met hulle
    kai Maria heh Iakohbou kai hai loipai sun autais

    (wat) hierdie dinge aan die apostels kom vertel het.
    elegon pros tous apostolous tauta.

    Maar dit het vir hulle geklink soos
    Kai ephanehsan enohpion autohn hohsei

    alles net leë woorde,
    lehpos ta rehmata tauta,

    en hulle het hulle nie geglo nie.
    kai ehpistoun autais. [Vgl. Mk16:8.]


    7. Petrus gaan weer kyk -- Peter Looks Again

    Lk24:24 Party van dié saam met ons het gaan kyk
    Kai apehlthon tines tohn sun hehmin

    in die graf en dinge gevind soos die vroue inderdaad vertel het.
    epi to mnehmeion kai heuron houtohs kathohs kai hai gunaikes eipan.

    Maar Hom het hulle nie gesien nie.
    Auton de ouk eidon

    Lk24:12 [TR] Toe staan Petrus op en hardloop na die graf toe
    Ho de Petros anastas edramen epi to mnehmeion

    en gaan gebuk in en sien die kledingstukke eenkant lê.
    kai parakupsas blepei ta othonia keimena mona.

    Terwyl hy weggegaan het,
    Kai apehlthen pros auton,

    het hy by homself gewonder(oor) die gebeure.
    heauthaumadzohn to gegonos.


    8. Vroue gaan kyk weer -- The Women Look Again

    Mk16:2 EN DAN BAIE VROEG op die Eerste Dag van die week
    Kai lian proh-i tehi Miai tohn sabbatohn

    kom hulle (Maria M en Maria van Jakobus en Salome) doelgerig graf toe
    erchontai epi to mnehma

    voor sonsopkoms.
    anateilantos tou hehliou.

    Mk16:3 Wié tog, vra hulle hulleself af, sal vir ons
    Kai elegon pros heautas· Tis apokulisei hehmin

    die rots uit die deur van die graf verwyder (het)?
    ton lithon ek tehs thuras tou mnehmeiou?

    Mk16:4 Dan kyk hulle weer, en let op dat die klip ver op, weggegooi lê,
    Kai anablepsasai theohrousin hoti anakekulistai ho lithos,

    nieteenstaande dat dit uitermate groot en swaer was.
    ehn gar megas sfodra.

    Mk16:5 Dan, soos hulle in die graf ingaan, sien hulle
    Kai eiselthousai eis to mnehmeion eidon

    ’n jonkman (engel) op regs, sit, geklee in
    neaniskon kathehmenon en tois deksiois peribeblehmenon

    ’n wit mantel sodat hulle baie groot geskrik het.
    stolehn leukehn kai eksethambehsehsan.

    Mk16:6 Maar hy sê vir hulle: Moenie bang wees nie!
    Ho de legei autais· Meh ekthambeisthe!

    Julle soek Jesus die Nasarener die Gekruisigde;
    Iehsoun dzehteite ton Nadzarehnon ton estaurohmenon.

    Hy is opgewek; Hy is nie hier nie;
    Ehgertheh, ouk estin hohde;

    kyk tog (na) die plek waar hulle Hom neergelê het!
    ide ho topos hopou ethehkan auton!

    Mk16:7 Maar gaan julle en gaan vertel sy disipels én, vir Petrus—,
    Alla hupagete eipate tois mathehtais autou kai tohi Petrohi

    dat Hy voor julle uitgaan na Galilea.
    hoti proagei humas eis to Galilaian.

    Daar sal julle Hom sien, soos Hy vir julle gesê het.
    Ekei auton opsesthe kathohs eipen humin.

    Mk16:8 Daarop gaan hulle uit en vlug van die graf af weg,
    Kai ekselthousai ephugon apo tou mnehmeiou,

    Bewende van vrees en verslaentheid.
    eichen gar autas tromos kai ekstasis.

    En maar niemand, het hulle iets vertel nie,
    Kai oudeni ouden eipan,

    so bang was hulle.
    ephobounto gar.


    9. EERSTE VERSKYNING -- The First Appearance

    Jh20:11 Maar Maria het buite GEBLY STAAN BY DIE GRAF en huil.
    Maria de heistehkei pros tohi mnehmeiohi eksoh klaiousa.

    Jh20:12 Huilende buk sy by die graf in en sien twee engele
    Hohs de eklaien parekupsen eis to mnehmeion kai theohrei duo angelous

    in wit geklee, een by die kopkant en een by
    en leukois kathedzomenous, hena pros tehi kephalehi kai hena pros

    die voetenend van die plek waar die liggaam van Jesus gelê het.
    tois posin hopou ekeito to sohma tou Iehsou.

    Jh20:13 Vra daardie (twee) engele vir haar, Vrou, hoekom kerm jy?
    Kai legousin autehi ekeinoi: Gunai, ti klaieis?

    Sy sê vir hulle: Omdat hulle my Here weggevat het,
    Legei autois hoti ehran ton Kurion mou,

    en ek weet nie waar hulle Hom gesit het nie.
    kai ouk oida pou ethehkan auton.

    Jh20:14 Terwyl sy dit sê draai sy terug en sien Jesus staan
    Tauta epousa estrapheh eis ta opisoh kai theohrei ton Iehsoun hestohta

    maar sy het nie geweet dat dit Jesus was nie.
    kai ouk ehidei hoti Iehsous estin.

    Jh20:15 Sê Jesus vir Maria: Vrou, Hoekom huil jy? Wie soek jy?
    Legei autehi ho Jehsous: Ginai, ti klaieis? Tina dzehteis?

    Daardie (vrou), sy dog dis die TUINIER!
    Ekeineh dokousa hoti ho kehpouros estin.

    Vra sy hom: Meneer, as u Hom weggevat het,
    Legei autohi: Kurie, ei su ebastasas auton,

    sê my waar u Hom neergesit het en ek sal Hom gaan haal.
    eipe moi pou ethehkas auton, kagoh auton aroh.

    Jh20:16 Roep Jesus na haar: Maria!
    Legei autehi Jehsous: Mariam!

    Verleë draai Maria weg terwyl sy in Hebreeus na Jesus uitroep:
    Strapheisa ekeineh, legei autohi Hebraisti:

    Rabbie! (Dit beteken, ‘Meester’.)
    Rabbouni (ho legetai didaskale).

    Jh20:17 Vermaan Jesus haar: Moenie by my vassteek nie,
    Legei autehi Iehsous: Meh mou haptou,

    want Ek het nog nie na die Vader opgevaar nie.
    oupoh gar anabebehka pros ton Patera.

    GAAN EGTER na my broeders
    Poreuou de pros tous adelphous mou

    en vertel hulle Ek gaan na My Vader
    kai eipe autois: Anabainoh pros ton Patera mou

    en julle Vader en na My God en julle God!
    kai Patera humohn kai Theon mou kai Theon humohn

    Mk16:9 Aldus Verrese, het Jesus vroeg op die Eerste Dag van die week
    Anastas de proh-i Prohtehi sabbatou

    eerste aan Maria Magdalena VERSKYN.
    ephaneh prohton Mariai tehi Magdalehnehi.

    Jh20:18 Maria Magdalena het gekom en aan die dissipels meegedeel
    Erchetai Mariam heh Magdalehneh anggelousa tois mathehtais

    dat ek (sy) die Here gesien het en dat Hy haar hierdie dinge vertel het.
    hoti: Heohraka ton Kurion; kai tauta eipen autehi.

    Mk16:10 Sy, daardie selfde Maria het gegaan en aan hulle verkondig
    Ekeineh poreutheisa apehngeilen tois

    wat saam met Hom was, terwyl hulle rou en ween.
    met’ autou genomenois, penthousi kai klaiousin.

    Maar hulle, toe hulle hoor dat Hy lewe en deur haar gesien was,
    Kakeinoi akousantes hoti dzei kai etheatheh hup’ autehs,

    het haar nie geglo nie.
    ehpistehsan. [*kai ouk episteusen autehi.]

    Interval Maria Magdalena was dus nie by hulle nie toe die ander vroue saam met Johanna en Maria van Jakobus weer na die graf gegaan het waar

    [* D1,2 Bezae Canta Brigiensis, Claramontanus]


    10. TWEEDE VERSKYNING -- The Second Appearance

    Mt28:5 . . .die engel verduidelik het
    . . .appokritheis de ho anggelos

    aan die vroue en gesê het: Julle moenie bang wees nie!
    eipen tais gunaiksin: Meh phobeisthe humeis!

    Want ek weet dat julle Jesus die Gekruisigde soek.
    Oida gar hoti Iehsoun ton estaurohmenon dzehteite.

    Mt28:6 Hy is nie hier nie; Hy het opgestaan soos Hy gesê het.
    Ouk estin hohde; ehgertheh gar kathohs eipen.

    Julle moet kom kyk na die plek waar Hy gelê het.
    Deute idete ton topon hopou ekeito.

    Mt28:7 Maak gou julle en gaan vertel sy dissipels
    Kai tachu poreutheisai eipate tois mathehtais autou

    dat hy opgestaan het uit die dode!
    hoti ehgertheh apo tohn nekrohn.

    Kyk, Hy gaan voor julle uit na Galilea, daar sal julle Hom sien!
    Kai idou proagei humas eis tehn Galilaian, epei auton opsesthe.

    Verstaan, ek bevéél julle!
    Idou eipon humin!

    Mt28:5 Net daar het hulle vertrek van die graf af
    Kai apelthousai tachu apo tou mnehmeiou

    en met bewing en groot vreugde.
    meta phobou kai charas megalehs.

    gehardloop om die dissipels die goeie nuus te gaan vertel!
    edramon apangeilai tois mathehtois autou.

    Kyk! Jesus het hulle ontmoet en hulle met Blydskap gegroet!
    Kai idou Iehsous hupehntehsen autais legohn: Chairete!
     
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    Brother, Scripture has already detailed the final week for us, in a quick snapshot of the collective events:

    [the 7th Day Sabbath of the LORD thy God]

    Jesus at Lazarus' house in Bethany [Mt. Olivet] - [John 12:1]- http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2213995&postcount=27​

    [the first [day] of the week]

    Jesus Triumphal Entry into Jerusalem, "the next day" from leaving Lazarus' house, Hosanna! - [John 12:12,13; Matthew 21:10; Mark 11:11], goes to the Temple, and after looking around, leaves, since it was close to evening back out unto Mt. Olivet.​

    [the second [day] of the week]

    Jesus comes back, curses the fig tree, goes to the Temple, and cleanses the Temple for the Second [last] time of the Money Changers - [Matthew 21:12,13,17; Mark 11:12,15,16,17,19], and Jesus goes back out.​

    [the third [day] of the week]

    Jesus comes back, the Fig tree is withered up from the roots, goes to the Temple, and has the final teachings to the Pharisees, etc - [Matthew 21:18,23; Mark 11:20,27].

    This was the "two days" before the "Passover" - [Matthew 26:1-2; Mark 14:1; Luke 21:37-38, 22:1].

    Jesus tells the Jewish nation, that their house is forever left desolate, no more fruit again - [Matthew 23:37-39; Luke 11:32-35].

    Jesus said, that He still had to do "cures" and "cast out devils" "to day, tomorrow and the third day" and be done - [Luke 13:32,33]

    Jesus had been "daily" in the Temple - [Matthew 25:55; Mark 14:49; Luke 19:47, 22:53; John 18:20]​

    [the fourth [day] of the week]

    The "tomorrow" [Luke 13:32,33]​

    [the fifth [day] of the week]

    The "Third Day" [Luke 13:32,33], being done.​

    [the sixth [day] of the week; preparation]

    Gather twice as much, Christ Jesus the anti-typical Manna, Exodus 16:25,26 - See - http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2212950&postcount=17 and http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2212951&postcount=18

    The "spices" "had been" [Mark 16;1] purchased sometime after the Crucifixion and before burial so that they could "prepare" [Luke 23:56] them to bring on the "first [day] of the week" [Luke 24:1], even as we see Joseph of Arimathaea doing for the linen - [Mark 14:46] See - http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2213241&postcount=20
    http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2213243&postcount=21

    1st Evening Part - [Matthew 26:31,34; Mark 14:27,30]
    1st Morning [Light] Part - [Matthew 27:21; Mark 15:1]
    See - http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2213239&postcount=19

    Aviv/Nisan 14th; Christ Jesus our Passover is Sacrificed for us - [1 Corinthians 5:7], See - http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2213507&postcount=23 and http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2213509&postcount=24​

    [the 7th Day Sabbath of the LORD thy God]

    Jesus remained in the Tomb all Sabbath - anti-type Manna - Exodus 16:29,30

    The Disciples were keeping the Sabbath according to the Commandment - [Exodus 20:8-11; Luke 23:54,56]

    2nd Evening and 2nd Morning Parts - [Matthew 27:58-66, 28:1; Mark 15:42-47; Luke 23:52-53,54; John 19:38-42]

    Aviv/Nisan 15th - Seasonal Feast Sabbath [First Day of Unleavened Bread, without corruption] - [Leviticus 23:5-8]​

    [the first [day] of the week]

    Christ Jesus, preserved and Risen - Anti-type Manna - Exodus 16:32-34

    3rd Evening and 3rd Morning Parts, Christ Risen and shown alive - [Matthew 28:1; Mark 16:2; Luke 24:1; John 20:1]

    Aviv/Nisan 16th; Christ the Firstfruits/Wavesheaf Offering, Anti-Type Resurrection - [1 Corinthians 15:20,23].

    Jesus was walking with the disciples on the Road to Emmaus on the "first [day] of the week", as the day was closing out, being "the third day since these things" were done [Luke 24:21], See - http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2213502&postcount=22​

    [the second [day] of the week]

    Jesus was still walking with the two disciples on the Road to Emmaus as the first [day] of the week was closing, and it becomes Evening - [Luke 24:29,35, etc]​

    etc...
     
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    Very little ‘Scripture’ here. And where ‘quoted’ only locations and no contents.

    Gets very technical and correspondingly, confused.

    Main objection:
    Incorrect ‘quoting’.

    To make a loooong story, short, kindly take the time to consider the following in contrast with your own:

    Please take special note of
    1) the “evening” which begins days;
    2) the ‘passover’ “the first day they KILLED the passover”; and “DAYS” of passover “FEAST”, “the first day“ of “seven days” ulb was eaten.



    Last Week / ‘Holy Week’

    Sabbath
    "Six days before passover Feast Days" John 12:1 (… begin on Friday)

    (Palm Sunday)
    Five days before "Feast Days" John 12:12 (… begin on Friday)

    (Monday)
    Four days before "Feast Days" (… begin on Friday)
    Mark 11:12 Matthew 21:18 Mark 11:15 Luke 19:45-48 Mark 11:19

    (Tuesday)
    THREE days before "Feast Days" (… begin on Friday)
    Mark 11:20,21,27 Matthew 22:23 Luke 20:1-8 Mark 13:1,3
    = Matthew 26:2 "after TWO days (Wednesday Thursday) is Passover
    = “Son of Man CRUCIFIED" (… on Thursday)

    (Wednesday)
    TWO days before "Feast Days" (… begin on Friday)
    Luke 21:38 Matthew 26:3
    = Mark 14:1-3 "after TWO days (Thursday Friday) is Feast
    = “Days of UNLEAVENED Bread" (… begin on Friday)

    (Thursday—Wednesday night and Thursday day, the Fifth Day)
    One day before "Feast Days" (… begin on Friday)
    = “BEFORE the Feast” John 13:1
    = “PREPARATION of the Passover” John 19:14
    = “NOT ON, the Feast” Mark 14:2
    = “WHEN they KILLED the passover…
    = “WHEN they REMOVED leaven”
    = Mark 14:12 Matthew 26:17 Luke 22:7 Exodus 12:15a
    = Abib 14 (Thursday Abib 14)

    (Friday)
    “The Feast of Unleavened Bread” Exodus 12:15b (… began on Friday)
    = “The Preparation …
    = “… which is the Foresabbath …
    = “… for THAT DAY WAS great day sabbath” of passover.

     
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    All surmising : UNTRUE fancy.

    View Luke 23:56a

    1) in contextual setting and sequence;

    2) in chronological historical setting, context and sequence;

    3) in LOGICAL COMMON SENSE TRUTHFUL AND SIMPLE AND HONEST     time-of-day and day-of-the-week positioning : here, http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?p=2216575&posted=1#post2216575 and on.
     
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    It was only as I prepared my latest thread, 'At the Tomb', that I found out about Mark 15:46 where it is said that Joseph <<BOUGHT>> linen.

    That is not what the Greek says or means to say.

    The Greek is a Participle, Joseph on "unused purchased linen", 'argorasas sundona', "prostrated", 'kathelohn', the body.
     
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    Brother, what I see in your 'response', is an apriori leading you throughout, and tainting your conclusion, which I find in your bracketed (parenthetical) notations, but do not find them through the Scriptural chronological record that has been written and left for us.

    For instance, you have stated above, that Matthew 26:2, the "after two days" points to (Wednesday, Thursday), and you land upon 'Thursday' [5th [day] of the week] in completion for the Crucifixion/Passover, but this cannot be, due to the very time table and language of the text itself.

    The text does not say "within two days", but rather it states "after" two days, which would place the event, not on 'Thursday', but rather on 'Friday', the 'Third day", which comes "after" two days. Notice the Bible:

    After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. Hosea 6:2​

    We can see similar use, in John 4:40,43. The "two days" does not include the day "after" them which we see given in Luke 13:32,33.

    So when, Jesus said, on that 'Tuesday' [3rd [day] of the week], that "after" "two days", it would bring us to the 'third day', being 'Friday' [the sixth [day] of the week], in perfect accordance with all typological and prophetic statements gone over.

    Therefore, according to Scripture, itself, "after two days" [the "two days" being 'Wednesday', 'Thursday', the "fourth and fifth [days] of the week]], speaks to the "third day" ['Friday', the sixth [day] of the week]], not to the second of the two days.

    We can know when Jesus said this saying of "after two days", because He stated it in Matthew 26:2; Mark 14:1, which was on the third [day] of the week, 'Tuesday' [see time table - here http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2216141&postcount=46 ] , for He had just finished speaking to the Pharisees, and had gone out from the Temple, leaving their house "desolate", to the Mount of Olives, as we see foreshadowed in Ezekiel:

    And the glory of the LORD went up from the midst of the city, and stood upon the mountain which is on the east side of the city. Ezekiel 11:23​

    Your pattern brother, does not incorporate all the typological elements, namely the Manna in Exodus 16, nor of the 3 days and 3 nights, and therefore, cannot be correct on those grounds, and others.

    Error cannot ever sanctify brother, please, give up this incorrect apriori you are holding onto which leads you to such an time-table that does not incorporate all the elements, and that Jesus, in your scenario, had to arise on Sabbath, for this is not possible, especially in that point, for in His resurrection, Jesus went to work, for there was much more for Him to fulfill, even as it is written in Daniel; Hebrews; Revelation, etc.

    "... the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;" - John 10:35​

    Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. - John 17:17

    And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth. - John 17:19​
     
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    Brother, are you are an expert, or even proficient in Greek to make such an statement [could you demonstrate with your credentials] and alter the King James Bible? [I worry about those who have such an view], but moreso, the very Scripture disagrees with you, in its simple chronological accounting:

    And when he knew [it] of the centurion, he gave the body to Joseph. - Mark 15:45​

    And he bought fine linen, and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre. - Mark 15:46​

    Mark 15:46 is preceeded by Mark 15:45, which gives us succession of events in their order, and vs 46 begins with "kai" [And], connecting the two.

    Therefore, Joseph was given the body, he bought fine linen, and then took the body down, and then wrapped Jesus in that just purchased Linen, etc. Plenty of time in the day to do so, since Jesus had died at approx 3PM, and there was several hours left before sunset and the 7th Day Sabbath was to begin.

    The word in Greek in Matthew 15:46, αγορασαςG59 V-AAP-NSM

    Robinson's Morphological Analysis Codes:

    Tense: Aorist
    Voice: Active
    Mood: Participle [a verbal adjective]
    Case: Nominative
    Number: Singular
    Gender: Masculine

    It is translated as "buy (28x), redeem (3x)", thus 31 times, in the King James Bible:

    bought, 13

    Mat 13:46, Mat 21:12, Mat 27:7, Mar 11:15, Mar 15:46, Mar 16:1, Luk 14:18-19 (2), Luk 17:28, Luk 19:45, 1Co 6:20, 1Co 7:23, 2Pe 2:1​

    buy, 13

    Mat 14:15, Mat 25:9-10 (2), Mar 6:36-37 (2), Luk 9:13, Luk 22:36, Joh 4:8, Joh 6:5, Joh 13:29, 1Co 7:30, Rev 3:18, Rev 13:17​

    redeemed, 3

    Rev 5:9, Rev 14:3-4 (2)​

    buyeth, 2

    Mat 13:44, Rev 18:11​

    In every instance it means to purchase.
     
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    Thorough and commendable piece of work!

    Now I have no credentials. Marshal who translates the Nestle Aland Text, does have though.

    And you in fact confirmed Marshall’s rendering with <<<just purchased Linen>>>. In any case, that is how I feel about it. What difference would it make? Joseph bought the linen after Pilate granted him the body; OR he already had the unused purchased linen in stock.

    Now 'agorasas' being Aorist Participle, it would rather 'punctuate' a Past Perfect purchase.

    There is nothing in text, context or chronology that even vaguely suggests what you suggest, that the body was buried before sunset the same day. That there was <<plenty of time … several hours left before sunset>> is diametrically contrary the written Word: “the Sabbath was nearing BEING-MID-AFTERNOON” --- ‘sabbaton EP(I)-E-PHOHS-K-EN’ when Joseph had finished closing the grave --- exactly the time of day Jesus had died : “the ninth hour” 3.p.m.. Death and Buried could not happen at the same time.

    The body was BURIED, AFTER the “evening having (had) come already”. At least three hours after Jesus had died his body STILL HANG on the cross and Joseph only BEGAN his undertaking to obtain the body with the view to prepare it “to the ethics of the Jews to bury” --- which in this case was according to the Law of the Passover of Yahweh “to bury” : “that which remained” : “THE NEXT DAY”. Exodus 12:10.
     
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    I must admit I've read only bits and pieces of this thread in depth and glossed over the rest and I am thoroughly impressed with your analytical thought process and application of type/antitype. IMO, you are very gifted brother.

    You are Historicist, correct?
     
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    Glory be to God, brother, for it is He which giveth knowledge and wisdom, but thank you for the kindnesses. God's love and my love be to you and yours.

    There is ever so much more to share with you and all, in so much that, all I have been given from our Heavenly Father above, is freely yours also. Christ Jesus gave to me freely, and so I give to you and all, freely.

    I am indeed Historicist. This, because, that is what the Bible itself is. :)

    In fact the Bible has a record of every person/being ever created [and Uncreated/God], in it. It shares from eternity past all the way into eternity future.

    The Bible, on earth, itself is a word 'picture' [if I may use that term] of Jesus, while He, Himself, is truly in Heaven.

    But our record [our 'picture'] itself is written in Heaven among the Books there, while we are yet on Earth, but soon, and very soon, we shall meet...
     
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    If not the same person once again, Kyredneck and OneBaptism is / are head in one cap ('kop in een mus'). No one else could give the latter such applause for such gibberish.

    ....and if I observed correct, this is not the first time ....
     
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    God/'Jesus' was "finished" after the 6th Day of Creation and rested the 7th Day:

    And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, [it was] very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. - Genesis 1:31

    Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. - Genesis 2:1

    And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. - Genesis 2:2

    And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. - Genesis 2:3​

    Turning to the New Testament Gospels, we find Jesus "finished" with the courtyard ministry on earth, in the same time, the 6th Day, entering into His rest the 7th Day:

    When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost. - John 19:30​

    Creation [Exodus 20:8-11] & Redemption [Deuteronomy 5:12-15] meet, forever sealed, the Holy 7th Day the Sabbath of the LORD thy God, the sign of His rest from His work, and so much more [soon to be gone into, and what it means for the Everlasting Gospel itself].

    Yet, Jesus was not done except for that portion of His work ["an atonement" was made; Leviticus 4], for there was an Heavenly work yet to do [and "the atonement" to be made soon; Leviticus 16 & 23], until He is "finished" once more, and soon, after the real literal days of Genesis 1, as our pattern [2 Peter 3:8], taking each day with the LORD as a thousand years, we see the Ministry of Christ Jesus in the Heavenly Temple and Everlasting Gospel itself, is about to be "finished" in this, the 6,000th year from the beginning, before we, who are faithful, enter into that 7th of rest in Heaven...

    But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets. - Revelation 10:7​

    Soon, in this the 6'th 'day' with the LORD, it will be "done":

    And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. - Revelation 16:17

    And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. - Revelation 21:6​

    See also the Everlasting Gospel in 6,000 years, and the 7th of Rest...:


    Then after the 7th 'day' with the LORD in rest, a New Creation begins, The 1st Day... a New Heaven and a New Earth...
     
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    ... shame ...
     
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