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3 Million Illegal Aliens to Flood the U.S. This Year

Discussion in 'Free-For-All Archives' started by JGrubbs, Sep 13, 2004.

  1. LadyEagle

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    The Answer to this Immigration Problem is the American Union.

    Counterpart to the European Union, what the AU does is unite Canada, Mexico and the USA and all other countries north of the Panama Canal under one government.

    Of Course, W is the President. :D
     
  3. Pennsylvania Jim

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    So you are proposing an end to the USA?
     
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    No - a natural expansion.
     
  5. Pennsylvania Jim

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    That would not be an expansion. That would be abolishing our republic and submitting to an entirely new government, and creating a new nation.

    No thanks, despite her flaws, I am still loyal to the USA.
     
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    PJ - you deny History by your narrow and paternalistic views when it comes to Migration and Nation Building.

    The world existed for thousands of years without a USA and while I love it as much as any man I am not opposed to expanding it.
     
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    Expanding it would mean making Mexico, for example, a state. I'm not in favor of that, either, but I didn't think that was what you meant when you said:
     
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    Barnes Review

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    http://www.americanpatrol.com/MECHA/AZTLAN.html

    Source - ADL
     
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    If the Fedral Government can not afford it, why not allow millitia groups to respond? I know the kaos that would follow, no need to actually respond to that comment, its just a comment.
     
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    It would even be a presumption to assume they all broke the law to get here. Most migrant workers who are here illegally came here legally. That is, they came here on a temporary work visa, and the visa expired. The majority renew their visas, since they can't get legitimate work without one, but many do not. Those who do not are breaking the law.

    The only assumption we can make is that an illegal alien is here illegally.
     
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    Oh please, not the old "Aztlan" arguement. That has about as much weight as those who proport that Jews own the banking industry. It's a racist notion, plain and simple. I don't think you're racist, so I'm surprised that you would subscribe to an idea that feeds on racism.
     
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    why is it racist ? is there a gag order on wanting to tell people about the Mexican movment? That information happens to be true, not racist, a racist statment would be based on a hate for mexicans, this info is about protecting our country from illeagle aliens, there is nothing wrong with being a mexican, but part of becoming an American citizen is denouncing your citizenship to another country, and the articel posted is about a group that is treasonal toward the United States. A group of people that don't belive in the melting pot, and want to be sepratist, most don't even speak English, and expect us to cater to thier needs, we are becoming second class citizens in our own country! our school system spends BGillions of dollars educating people that , by law, don't belong here, think of the money that could be spent on American students, our sons , and daughters, that instead , is beong spent on an illeagle alien, there are health issues as well, what about the spread of hepitytis that was all but gone, till illeagle aliens brought it back, and what about the prefered treatment illeagle aliens get at hospitals, there are bills being passed that will allow a non citizen to get medical treatment, at tax dollars expence, but not a tax paying citizen. If it is racist to be concerned about ones country, then , there are Mexican-American people out there that are racist agianst there own people too.
     
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    Thanks, Rooster. John needs a new set of bifocals. [​IMG]
     
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    Rooster~

    Illegals cannot join schools-birth certificates (aka identification with the U.S.) is required for entry into the public school system. Therefore, the extra money that is being spent trying to teach the Spanish-speaking kids English (so they can function in the U.S.) is actually being spent on Americans!!! They have every bit as much right being here as you do.

    And why do you have to make them out to be second-class citizens? I think you are sounding racist. Here in the U.S., we do not have a national language. Therefore, Spanish is just as acceptable as English is. It would be different if our national language was officially English, but it's not.

    So why is it fair to persecute those people that grew up only knowing Spanish? The Spanish-speaking AMERICANS have enough hardship as it is, having to face persecution for being Hispanic. What right to we, as fellow Americans, fellow people, and Christians have to judge them too?
     
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    Until Islamo-fascists stop beheading our citizens we should not allow any more Muslims into our nation. Period.
     
  16. Rooster

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    Maybe were you are from you do not deal with this issue as much as were I am from, but in the Riverside School system, there are many non-citizen children attending school, in fact my gardener who is not a citizen, and has been deported a couple of times , but always manages to find his way back, has 3 school age children attending our schools, on our tax money, not to mention an entire nieborhood of illeagles, that stand on the corner every day, that you can hire for $3.00 an hour to do various labor, most of them have kids going to school on our tax dollars.
    I said we are second class citizens in our own country, why does everyone have to play the racist card, when ever the topic of illeagle aliens comes up, I have nothing agianst Mexican-Americans, who went through the proper channels to live here, and denouncing thier loyalty to Mexico, and embracing America. What language is the constitution writen in, what language is printed on our money, what language are you required to learn to get a citixzenship in the United States, and what langue is "united we stand, divided we fall" written in? By speaking a forien language it divides the United States, a divided country is not a melting pot. Our National language is officaly English, when you drive you car, and see a road sign, what language is it writen in?
    Who's persicuting ? I am only defending my freedom brother, I am not seeking out to kill, or stamp out Mexicans, I am only trying to hold up the values of the people that have a right to be here, and the people that came here leaglely, even Biblicaly this is correct to: "obey the laws of the land", is it not? It is no harder being Hispanic, than it is being white, or black, or fat, or skinny, or christian, or tall ,or short, ect..
     
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    Huh? Don't know where you get your information!

    http://www.fairus.org/Research/Research.cfm?ID=1270&c=54

    As far as English not being the National Language, that's true. But if one wants to be in the band, one should learn to play an instrument. It's not America's responsibility to kowtow to Spanish speaking people, when the majority of people in this country speak English. It is the one coming to this country's (preferably legally) responsibility to learn the language of the majority of the people here. If I went to Me he co, I would not expect everyone to kowtow to me to speak English. If I went to France, I would not expect everyone to kow tow to me to speak English. I would speak French. If I went to Timbuktu, I would be expected to learn the language of the locals.
     
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    Well, maybe it's just where I live, but to enroll in school at all we have to provide a birth certificate. And even all the way up to college, they'll ask you if you're a U.S. citizen. So, at least here, most of the kids that need special help to learn English are legal U.S. citizens.

    And as far as persecution goes, Hispanics do have it harder than the average white person does. It would be nice if everyone really was on equal footing, but it's not that way. That's even a bit too idealistic for me! LOL.

    Becca
     
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    AHHH, to be young and nieve, must be nice, wait till you get into the real world bro, everyone is hated equally, hardship is something everyone deals with , nomatter how rich or poor, or black or white, in fact God will see to it that all of us will face times of desperate need, inorder to have us grow, and to excellerate, and expand his pourpose for us. You'll see.
     
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