35 countries where the U.S. has supported fascists, drug lords and terrorists

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  1. poncho

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    As the situation in Ukraine continues to fester, a handy history guide -- from A (Argentina) to Z (Zaire)

    The U.S. is backing Ukraine’s extreme right-wing Svoboda party and violent neo-Nazis whose armed uprising paved the way for a Western-backed coup. Events in the Ukraine are giving us another glimpse through the looking-glass of U.S. propaganda wars against fascism, drugs and terrorism. The ugly reality behind the mirror is that the U.S. government has a long and unbroken record of working with fascists, dictators, druglords and state sponsors of terrorism in every region of the world in its elusive but relentless quest for unchallenged global power.

    Behind a firewall of impunity and protection from the State Department and the CIA, U.S. clients and puppets have engaged in the worst crimes known to man, from murder and torture to coups and genocide. The trail of blood from this carnage and chaos leads directly back to the steps of the U.S. Capitol and the White House. As historian Gabriel Kolko observed in 1988, “The notion of an honest puppet is a contradiction Washington has failed to resolve anywhere in the world since 1945.” What follows is a brief A to Z guide to the history of that failure.

    Read More At: http://www.salon.com/2014/03/08/35_countries_the_u_s_has_backed_international_crime_partner/
     
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    The Democrats omitted their favorite fascists in Venezuela, Bolivia, and Ecuador.

    Actually, the Democrats are silent about the repression in Venezuela and the docking of a Russian ship in Cuba with the Putin threat to put military bases in Cuba, Venezuela, and Nicaragua.

    But then libertarians like Ron Paul have also abandoned the Monroe Doctrine.
     
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    "The democrats the democrats the democrats." You sound like a broken record. :sleep:

    Like I've been telling you for years now the same insane interventionist foreign policy has been carried out through both republican and democratic administrations since 1889.

    It's this insane policy that is causing us all this trouble with terrorism and the Russians and every other country that hates us now because we think we're their boss and can do anything we like to them.

    But then if you slipped up and admitted the obvious you wouldn't be able to trash Ron Paul, would ya, what fun would that be?
     
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    they mentioned the Philippines but failed to mention the US-Marcos clique and that the US has always seen to it that whoever becomes president is from the 'ruling class' or at least somebody 'friendly' to them. The non-communists who are truly nationalists never make it past Senator.
     
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    The libertarians have supported the abandonment of the Monroe Doctrine, also. That is why they too have been silent about the bloodshed in Venezuela and the threat of Russian incursions into Latin America. We now know that there is a link between Cuba and North Korea with the shipment of arms that was in Mariel.
     
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    Libertarians have been siding with the people of Latin America who incidentally have long ago rejected the Monroe Doctrine on the ground the US kept the "Old World" powers out of the way so it could intervene in the affairs of Latin American countries. Which it has done consistently. I mean gee whiz democracy is way to important to leave it up the people in their own countries to decide who their leaders should be.

    In other words the Latin Americans don't appreciate Washington and Wall Street's form of imperialism (neoliberalism) any more than libertarians do.

    What you really meant to say I think is that libertarians don't subscribe to the same progressive Wilsonian idea of "making the would safe for democracy" by picking all the leaders who should rule over the people of other nations that you do. That's true and it's because libertarians actually believe those in other nations have the right of self determination.

    Silent? Hardly. More like ignored.

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    Laughing at Chavez Through Tapped Phone Lines

    Okay that's enough.

    Silent? Hardly.
     
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    Thanks, Poncho, for confirming that both Libertarians and Democrats have abandoned the Monroe Doctrine and have no objections to Russians, Koreans and Iranians moving military equipment around Latin America. I guess that we could summarize your policy as the same as JFK's--don't worry they are still 90 miles away.
     
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    Does all that reaching make your arms hurt CMG?

    The Monroe Doctrine has been used to accomplish exactly what it was designed to end. But instead of colonizing with out posts and troops as it was done back then now it's done with central banks and fiat currency and "liberailzing" the local economies so the mighty multinational monopoly men can move in use up all the resources, pay the labor force the least possible amount to stock the shelves at all their mega marts and chain stores with cheap foreign made goods.

    Colonization was just replaced with liberalization but it amounts to the exact same thing. The people become subjects of a foreign power. Which is exactly what the Monroe Doctrine was mean to end!

    So how in the heck does that make libertarians the bad guys now? In a sane world the guys claiming to be following the Monroe Doctrine while doing exactly what it was designed to end would be the bad guys. :tonofbricks:

    But you know what CMG you're probably right. Black is truly white, up is actually down and slavery is really freedom.
     
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    So the Monroe Doctrine was bad because Latinos wanted foreign powers outside of the hemisphere but foreign powers came in anyway in the form of banks, etc., so the Monroe Doctrine didn't work and Libertarians have abandoned President Monroe although for different reasons than the Democrats, who also abandoned the President Monroe.
     
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    I'm not sure how to respond to gibberish CMG. You seem all mixed up and confused maybe you should seek medical help.
     
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    Well, you are the one making personal attacks all the time, Poncho, but I think that you have trashed the Monroe Doctrine so I conclude that the Democrats and the Libertarians have both abandoned the Monroe Doctrine.
     
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    I'm far from being alone in that regard.

    Okay tell me then CMG what was the Monroe Doctrine designed to do?
     
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    You tell us, Poncho, why you and the Democrats abandoned it.
     
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    Why don't you explain to us what the Monroe Doctrine is CMG? Surely you must know.

    I mean you chose this out of everything else you could have used as a distraction so please, clue us all in as to what it is and what it meant to achieve.
     
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    Here is what you said Poncho:

    1. "...Latin Americans don't appreciate Washington and Wall Street's form of imperialism..."

    2. '...But instead of colonizing with out posts and troops as it was done back then now it's done with central banks and fiat currency and "liberailzing" [sic] the local economies so the mighty multinational monopoly men can move in use up all the resources, pay the labor force the least possible amount to stock the shelves at all their mega marts and chain stores with cheap foreign made goods....Colonization was just replaced with liberalization but it amounts to the exact same thing. The people become subjects of a foreign power....'
     
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    I said this to . . .

    So why are you telling me what I said instead of explaining what the Monroe Doctrine is and what it was meant to achieve?
     
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    In the 1980s, the U.S. worked with Pakistan and Saudi Arabia to overthrow Afghanistan’s socialist government. It funded, trained and armed forces led by conservative tribal leaders whose power was threatened by their country’s progress on education, women’s rights and land reform. After Mikhail Gorbachev withdrew Soviet forces in 1989, these U.S.-backed warlords tore the country apart and boosted opium production to an unprecedented level of 2,000 to 3,400 tons per year. The Taliban government cut opium production by 95% in two years between 1999 and 2001, but the U.S. invasion in 2001 restored the warlords and drug lords to power. Afghanistan now ranks 175th out of 177countries in the world for corruption, 175th out of 186 in human development, and since 2004, it has produced an unprecedented 5,300 tons of opium per year. President Karzai’s brother, Ahmed Wali Karzai, was well known as a CIA-backed drug lord. After a major U.S. offensive in Kandahar province in 2011, Colonel Abdul Razziq was appointed provincial police chief, boosting a heroin smuggling operation that already earned him $60 million per year in one of the poorest countries in the world.

    2. Albania

    Between 1949 and 1953, the U.S. and U.K. set out to overthrow the government of Albania, the smallest and most vulnerable communist country in Eastern Europe. Exiles were recruited and trained to return to Albania to stir up dissent and plan an armed uprising. Many of the exiles involved in the plan were former collaborators with the Italian and German occupation during World War II. They included former Interior Minister Xhafer Deva, who oversaw the deportations of “Jews, Communists, partisans and suspicious persons” (as described in a Nazi document) to Auschwitz. Declassified U.S. documents have since revealed that Deva was one of 743 fascist war criminals recruited by the U.S. after the war.

    3. Argentina

    U.S. documents declassified in 2003 detail conversations between U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger and Argentinian Foreign Minister Admiral Guzzetti in October 1976, soon after the military junta seized power in Argentina. Kissinger explicitly approved the junta’s “dirty war,” in which it eventually killed up to 30,000, most of them young people, and stole 400 children from the families of their murdered parents. Kissinger told Guzzetti, “Look, our basic attitude is that we would like you to succeed… the quicker you succeed the better.” The U.S. Ambassador in Buenos Aires reported that Guzzetti “returned in a state of jubilation, convinced that there is no real problem with the US government over that issue.” (“Daniel Gandolfo,” “Presente!”)

    4. Brazil

    In 1964, General Castelo Branco led a coup that sparked 20 years of brutal military dictatorship. U.S. military attache Vernon Walters, later Deputy CIA Director and UN Ambassador, knew Castelo Branco well from World War II in Italy. As a clandestine CIA officer, Walters’ records from Brazil have never been declassified, but the CIA provided all the support needed to ensure the success of the coup, including funding for opposition labor and student groups in street protests, as in Ukraine and Venezuela today. A U.S. Marine amphibious force on standby to land in Sao Paolo was not needed. Like other victims of U.S.-backed coups in Latin America, the elected President Joao Goulart was a wealthy landowner, not a communist, but his efforts to remain neutral in the Cold War were as unacceptable to Washington as President Yanukovich’s refusal to hand the Ukraine over to the west 50 years later.

    5. Cambodia

    When President Nixon ordered the secret and illegal bombing of Cambodia in 1969, American pilots were ordered to falsify their logs to conceal their crimes. They killed at least half a million Cambodians, dropping more bombs than on Germany and Japan combined in World War II. As the Khmer Rouge gained strength in 1973, the CIA reported that its “propaganda has been most effective among refugees subjected to B-52 strikes.” After the Khmer Rouge killed at least 2 million of its own people and was finally driven out by the Vietnamese army in 1979, theU.S. Kampuchea Emergency Group, based in the U.S. Embassy in Bangkok, set out to feed and supply them as the “resistance” to the new Vietnamese-backed Cambodian government. Under U.S. pressure, the World Food Program provided $12 million to feed 20,000 to 40,000 Khmer Rouge soldiers. For at least another decade, the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency provided the Khmer Rouge with satellite intelligence, while U.S. and British special forces trained them to lay millions of land mines across Western Cambodia which still kill or maim hundreds of people every year.

    6. Chile

    When Salvador Allende became President in 1970, President Nixon promised to“make the economy scream” in Chile. The U.S., Chile’s largest trading partner, cut off trade to cause shortages and economic chaos. The CIA and State Department had conducted sophisticated propaganda operations in Chile for a decade, funding conservative politicians, parties, unions, student groups and all forms of media, while expanding ties with the military. After General Pinochet seized power, the CIA kept Chilean officials on its payroll and worked closely with Chile’s DINA intelligence agency as the military government killed thousands of people and jailed and tortured tens of thousands more. Meanwhile, the “Chicago Boys,” over 100 Chilean students sent by a State Department program to study under Milton Friedman at the University of Chicago, launched a radical program of privatization, deregulation and neoliberal policies that kept the economy screaming for most Chileans throughout Pinochet’s 16-year military dictatorship.


    How can you keep defending this bloody interventionist foreign policy in good conscience CMG? Nevermind I know, you can't be bothered with all the particulars and evidence it's not in America's best interest be honest with ourselves about our past conduct towards other nations. Right?
     
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    Okay, you have acknowledged calling the Monroe Doctrine imperialistic and saying that banking in Latin America has been about subjugation.

    You keep asking what the original intent of the Monroe Doctrine was so I am linking the original words of President James Monroe, who fought under President George Washington during the American Revolution, so that you can read them for yourself, Poncho:

    http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/monroe.asp
     
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    I have read it CMG. Monroe didn't like the idea of European nations bullying Latin American nations into subservience.

    If he were here today he'd be against the United States using the same practices and worse that he found distasteful about the European nations when dealing with Latin American countries.

    I was hoping you might realize this if you actually tired to explain his position in your own words but alas you would have none of that.

    Maybe you should go back and read it and compare it to the interventionist foreign policy we have today that you defend tooth and nail. Monroe would be against it.

    I believe Monroe would flip his wig today if he were to witness the kind of covert economic and proxy warfare Washington pursues against other nations on behalf of the huge multinational corporations.

    The history of these interventions is all right there in the article I posted.

    You have not said one word about any of the examples of how Washington has treated other nations instead you set out to try to make Libertarians look bad and only succeeded in making Monroe sound like a hypocrite.

    I can only imagine what your next post will be . . .
     
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    I should have guessed you'd go silent. :wavey:
     

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