3rd graders chant: Obama 'uniting blacks and whites'

Here is an exact quote from the OP.

School children in North Carolina chant about President Obama, declaring, "Change has come" and praising the president for "uniting blacks and whites" in a YouTube video that's garnering national attention.

What do you think the topic is? I thought it was about this action about school children. You people want to limit EVERT discussion to ranting against Obama. Sorry, but yhou're off topic.

 

And same question: Why didn't Jesus live in peace with them?

 

Jesus could deal with sin. He associated with sinners and showed them the way to be saved. He forgave the woman found in adultery and told that anyone without sin should cast the first stone. But He did tell her to go and sin no more.

Why Jesus couldn't accept were the hypocrites, primarily the scribes and pharisees who felt that they were superior because of their works. Today's pharisees are the Christian Right who condemn homosexuals and those who choose abortion without showing them Christian love as an alternative to their sin. These people also feel superior because of their works but in reality their sin is just as despicable as that of the worst abortionist in the sight of God. Jesus would have dinner with homosexuals and abortionists but would reject these hypocrites.

 

That is so much baloney. You know, I have a person in my family who is homosexual. Do you know who the very first person he came out of the closet and revealed himself to? Me. And over the years I have had many long and thoughtful discussions with this person on this very subject. In fact, he seeks me out to talk to. I have never acted superior in any way to this person. I have been very clear that I believe the scriptures say this lifestyle is a sin, but straight people commit many terrible sex sins as well like fornication and adultery. I get along very well with this person and always have, even though we differ on this subject.

And guess what? I am one of those religious rights, I have been a Republican all my life.

 

Wow...I didn't know one could cram so much profound ignorance about true Christianity, politics, and judgementalism into one post. That must take practice.

But the worst offense is to assume that Christ wouldn't address the sin. In the context of loving the sinner, He would address their sin.

But, since that would mess up your rant, you conveniently left that out.

You, sir, would remake Christ into the image of your political preference, and that is disgusting.

 

But Alatide is right. The frantic right wing fundamentalists of today have almost exactly the same attitude as the Pharisees in Jesus day. It was their attitude toward others and their misuse of religion that angered Jesus. The right wing fundamentalists have created God and Jesus in the image of Republicans. That is heresy. They have completely confuses Jesus' teachings, indeed rejected them for right wing secular thinking.

 

You can't lump all conservative Christians like this. There are always extremes whether left or right. You have the extreme left that hates God and Christians. But I don't for one second believe that all who are politically left believe like that.

If anything, Alatide comes across as one of these extremists.

 

Obviously you do, too. Almost every post of yours is a condemnation of somebody(es). Are you that certain Jesus would sit down in fellowship with you and would turn his back on all us conservatives you love to judge?

 

So much hate from alatide and CTB, who think they have a corner on the love of Jesus over the rest of us rubes. So who are the real hypocrites?

 

This is false. Conservative fundamentalists say the exact same things Christ did, that HE is the only way to salvation. It was the Pharisees, judging other's giving, and twisting scripture that angered Jesus. Conservative fundamentalists have not created God, nor Jesus in the image of republicans, that is false, unless you can articulate how they did that. You could also explain how we have confused any of Christ's teachings, and how we have rejected them for "secular thinking". If you can't, then your rant is just that, a rant, unfocused and untrue. It is liberals that say homosexuality isn't sin, that women can hold pastorate offices in church. It is conservatives that give more to charity. It is conservatives that hold the Bible as the sole authority.

You need to explain these points.

 

Good luck on getting any real answers Curtis. Bleeding hearts are superior to the rest of us. We are knuckle draggers and not smart enough to fuction on their level.

 

I posted this on another thread. It details how current non-Christians feel about Christianity. It's obvious that these negative attitudes of those we want to reach for Jesus are caused by the Christian Right's hypocrisy and support of a political agenda over Christian evangelism.
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Actually, I'm serious about this. I'm currently reading a book called "UnChristian" by David Kinnaman which reinforces what I've believed for a long time. The author is president of The Barna Group, a Christian company which provides research and resources to denominations and churches to aid in evangelism (demographics, insights into what people think and believe, etc.). They can be found at:

http://www.barna.org/

Anyway, this book investigates why the Christian church is failing to reach the Busters (children of the Boomers) and the following generation (what they call the Mosaic generation. It focuses on people aged 16 to 29. There are about 24 million of them in the US compared to 21 M Baby Boomers. About 40% of this group is outside the faith compared to about 27% of Boomers.

This is what I've learned so far. (I've read about 2/3 of the book.)

Most of these outsiders have attended church in the past but have opted out. 38% of this group have a negative attitude towards Christians compared to 50% towards evangelical Christians. This unfavorable image is due to:

Anti-homosexual (against people not acts) - 66%
Judgmental - 57%
Hypocritical - 54%
Too much involved in politics - 46%
Out of touch with reality - 37%
Insensitive to Others - 27%
Others

They feel that Christians are not interested in forming a relationship with them but only notching up another "salvation." Interesting enough, many church goers feel about the same about the church but to a somewhat lesser degree. The outsiders don't have a negative view of Jesus but rather think that the church has distorted His message.

Because the Christian religion is so pervasive in the US, 84% of these outsiders say that they know Christians personally. Much of what they believe about the church is based on personal experience not the media, etc.

Looking at this a different way, the Barna Group presented several descriptors of a religious and asked this age group (16-29) which ones applied to present-day Christianity. They included the unchurched as well as those who attend church. This is the result.


Unchurched Church Goers
Anti-homosexual 91% 80%
Judgmental 87% 52%
Hypocritical 85% 47%
Old-Fashioned 78% 36%
Too involved in Politics 75% 50%
Out of Touch with Reality 72% 32%
Insensitive to Others 70% 29%
Boring 68% 27%
Not accepting of other Faiths 64% 39%
Confusing 61% 44%

The question might be why do we care? Of course as Christians we have different values than the unchurched. The reason we should care is that these are the people we’re trying to reach with the gospel. We don’t have to accept homosexual behavior to accept and care about homosexual people. Jesus was often criticized because he spent time with the worst of sinners (prostitutes, tax collectors, Samaritans, etc.). The Christian ideal is to love the sinner but not to accept the sin.

Appearing judgmental, hypocritical, too involved in (Republican) politics is not the way to reach out to a sinful world going to Hell. I myself have been told twice to my face that a Democrat cannot be a Christian. That one statement automatically reduces the “potential harvest” of souls by 50%. Of what value is it to "win" a political argument and cause someone to be forever estranged from Jesus?

If people are told the story about America being a Christian nation rather than a free nation where everyone can worship as they choose why wouldn’t they assume that they are automatically going to heaven since they are a citizen of that nation? Why do we have to put manger scenes on the court house lawn rather than on the church lawn or the lawns of believers? What do we gain by trying to force our religion on others? It doesn’t work as these statistics show. They only develop an animosity towards us which makes it impossible for us to reach them with the gospel.

Just what is the Christian Right’s real objective, winning souls or winning votes? I don’t believe they can do both and that’s why the SBC didn’t reach its goal of 1M baptisms. We are not reaching the lost because the church is increasingly becoming a club for insiders rather than a place of hope for the lost.

 

Actually, the Bible, even Christ himself tells us the world will hate us because of HIM. You are asking me to believe what the non-saved think of us. I just do not get that. And it does not explain C.T.B.'s assertion that we reject Christ's teachings, Which ones do we reject ? What is "secular" about our thinking ? What is this "another salvation" ? Your post explains nothing, at least it does not answer any question I asked. Church is boring ? And exactly which "other faiths" did Christ accept ?

I'll ask again, which of Christ's teachings do we reject ? And leave out this BARNA group. Tell me what about scripture do we twist, and what about Christ do we reject ?

 

Good questions, Curtis. They will not answer them. The best they will muster is that we don't care for the poor because we don't support liberal governmental policies like they do - in other words, we aren't Democrats and Jesus was a Democrat.

 

...so let's all take a politically leftist/statist approach, so non-Christians will like us better.

No thanks.

By the way...won't alatide's approach consequently turn off conservative non-Christians?