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  1. KenH

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    No one else has mentioned this so I will. I think this mark should be noted.

    4,000 of America's finest have now died after five years of U.S. involvement in Iraq.

    May God bless their families and friends.
     
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    May God indeed bless their families. May we honor each sacrifice. May we honor each wounded. May we honor each woman and man who bravely serve their country every day without fanfare.
     
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    Amen, Brother KenH -- Preach it! :thumbs:

    As usual, I compare the number to the MONTHLY toll of drunken drivers on the highways of the USofA. As usual, I compare the number to the DAILY toll of unwanted/unborn babies in the USofA.

    Pres. Bush has led us well in a good fight against international terrorism.

    I'm looking for a leader who:
    1. can get elected
    2. that will stay the course in Afganistan & Iraq (and if need be, Iran).
     
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    I salute these brave sacrifices. It breaks my heart they were sent there on false pretenses. No American service man or woman should be placed in harms way unless as a last resort. I hope Halliburton, Carlisle, Cheney and the rest of BushCo will be enjoying their blood money. It came at a high cost.

    Plus estimates of killed Iraqis now are over 500,000.
     
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    I may or may not agree with the war, but we all have every right to be proud of the efforts and sacrifices of our men and women in uniform. My heart goes out to all the immediate family members. :praying:
     
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    Amen Ken!

    America has sacrificed many worldwide over many years for the oppressed in other nations. May God indeed bless these families and America for taking stands against tyrants who oppress their peoples. The people of Iran are probably praying every day to God for the freedom they see given to their neighbors in Iraq.

    Nobody likes war, but if I was living under these tyrants I would be praying to God for some powerful country like the USA to come set me free as well. As I'm sure the slaves long ago in this country prayed for someone to rise up and fight for their freedom.

    War is horrible. But Jesus said, "these things must be". And you can see why He said this, without war a few would simply destroy and torture the many.

    God bless! :thumbs:
     
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    Plus the 40,000 wounded, the majority of whom their lives have been ruined. This was and is a totally unjust war, one that we should never have started. Anyone who knows anything about the history of the Mid-East could well have predicted the mess we find ourselves in.

    And this is to say nothing about the up to 100,000 Iraqis who have been killed in the last 5 years as well as the un-numbered Iraqis wounded.

    I am so sorry for those killed and those wounded and all for the wrong reasons.
     
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    "the majority of whom their lives have been ruined."

    Radically changed but not ruined most go on to lead productive lives raising families etc. Not to diminish their sacrifice/loss nor their hardships ahead. Yes, some will not but lets not paint with that broad brush to make a political point.. :thumbs:

    Just a suggestion: Lets keep this thread to honoring those that have given for their country.:tear:
     
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    My suggestion is to go to Walter Reed and see the shattered lives and tell me the quality of life many will have who are so terribly injured.
     
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    "Many" maybe, "majority" I doubt it. And I'd guess many of the "many" would not agree with "ruined." Don't need to go to Walter Reed, have been to other vet hospitals before during/after other wars.
     
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    After you get back from this visit, would you give us an update.

    I honor all of our military men and women for their service to our country. Especially those who gave their all, and their families.
     
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    There are many there with no arms or legs. Many with brain damage and they will basically know nothing the rest of their lives. There are those terribly burned and will never be viewed as normal by 'normal' people. There are many who are paralised and will never move normally, some can move only if someone moves them. Many are so mentally scarred they can never live a normal life.

    And all were put in this situation by a totally unnecessary, immoral war. I am so terribly sorry for them.

    Now, what did you see on your visit?
    :tonofbricks:
     
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    Hey MP, I know how honest & balanced you like to be, so I'm sure you wish the same for Clinton, Gore, Kerry & Kennedy & everyone else who voted to give Bush the authority to ignore the constitution, and I'm also sure in your righteous judgement, that you hold accountable the newly elected dem majority, who keeps giving Bush everything he wants. He must be spreading all that blood money around pretty thick, eh ?

    As far as I'm concerned, they all have blood on their hands. and anyone who thinks Hillary or Obama will end this war is a fool.
     
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    Best I can figure, the suggestion was yours. I just figured you'd want to set the example.

    Again, I am glad to honor all of our military, especially those who have given their lives in their service to our country.
     
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    If you really want to honor them, pick out a family, or have your church pick out ten families and support them with $500 a month. Might help some of them off welfare.
     
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    Please allow me to present a different opinion regarding a prevalent theme in this thread. Someone needs to define "unjust war."

    The original objectives of President Bush and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld were achieved; and those objectives were just: get the terrorists on the run, and unseat an unjust ruler.

    The problem was that those goals were shortsighted, and were based on historical "war thinking." The goals didn't take into account "what next?"

    For more information, see the synopsis on a new book: http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/03/danger-room-sma.html

    As for all those wounded, and whose lives will now be "intolerable": HOW DARE YOU CHEAPEN THEIR SACRIFICES.

    You cry for their loss? Ask them if they're crying, or if they're proud they could serve their country. You're sorry for them? They don't want you to be sorry for them. They want you to recognize that they sacrificed doing service for their country.

    I have a picture of a girl, with a bandage on her cheek. The sniper was aiming at her uncle in the driver's seat, but didn't take into account the movement of the vehicle, and the bullet grazed her jaw (praise God, only her jaw).

    Her father has a scar on his arm where another sniper's bullet went through, because he was working on a tower to install antennas so that there would be communications equipment for Americans and Iraqis.

    One of her father's co-workers came under sniper fire the very first time he went up on a tower to work on antenna dishes. The four men with him were all killed.

    Why do these people have scars? Because they're brave enough to stand up to the terrorists and work with the Americans to keep Iraq free from those that would rather see it return to a country ruled by fear and intimidation.

    Dagnabbit, Crab, you're in Prague, of all places! Find some of the old timers, and ask them about the Russian occupation. Ask them if there's anything unjust about standing against those that rule through terror.

    I find myself disagreeing with this current president more and more, but not about why we went to Iraq, and not about why we're still in Iraq. I see a principle in Romans 15:1 about the stronger helping the weaker, and the question you have to ask yourself is: Is it senseless to lose life or limb if it helps one little girl, or her daughter, or her daughter's daughter, to grow up in a better world?
     
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    How many of them are on welfare ? Is it a greater proportion than non-military folks, percentage-wise ? Do you send $500 a month ? Have you served ? Do you feel the government didn't live up to the contract you signed with them ?
     
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    Before I consider such a request, how many families are you supporting with $500 a month? And if you're not doing the same, where do you get off trying to tell the rest of us what to do?

    We live and minister right next to a military base - Cherry Point Marine Air Station. We know about ministering to the needs of our military families, and we do minister to the needs that we are able to meet. We know about ministering to those who have spouses away fighting in the war. And, by the way, they're not whining about it like you are! They're proud to do their job! We can not (and no church can) meet all the needs in our area, but we are doing our part.
     
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  19. Salty

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    Yes, 4000 GI have died in IRAQ. For what it is worth, about 15-20 % were non-combat related.

    Just the facts.
     
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    While this describes some American soldiers, it describes also some 'survivers' of 9-11-2001 in New York Cityand Virginia by D.C. We will never know how many would have been in the same situation had our soldiers NOT given thier sacrifice.

    Thank you, American and allied soldiers and Iraqi & Afgani who helped the allies - that you for what you did. Special thanks to those who are damaged & those who gave their lives.
     

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