4,000

Regardless of how they died, they are honorable people who gave their all. Although I am against the war, I honor these soldiers, they did what they were ordered to do and gave their lives for their country and their fellow Americans.

 

Well Curtis, I don't know what bug crawled up your butt, as I can see from your sarcastic tone that you think not. Well, guess what? You are correct. If you have read my posts over time, I have said the Democrats haven't had the kahunas to get things done right. Although when they do try, the little war monger vetoes it. And her vote to hand the smirking chimp unconstitutional power is one reason she isn't my pick.

As for profiteering, I don't see that as the Dems as much as I do George W. "Dry Hole" Bush and Dick "Haliburton" Cheney finally hitting a gusher with no bid contracts from the public treasury, in a war of their own creation.

As for ending the war, I don't trust Hillary, but I believe Barack will end that illegal occupation. So I guess I'm a fool.

 

We cant end it, and Obama knows it.

If we leave today, Iran will move in tomorrow and place their missles on iraq's western border so that they can finally "wipe Isreal off the face of the map" like they promised.

Like it or not....we have to finish it

AJ

 

Nice. When a professed Christian says something like that, I can assume he's undiscipled enough that I should probably ignore any advice I'm going to get, and any admonishment I'm going to get can be viewd with spiritual prejudice, and ignored as well.

You are living in a complete fantasy land, and I find it laughable how you accuse me of making unprovable claims, and then post up that nonsense.

Yup. And start one in Pakistan. I'd love to hear how he's going to end this, just too bad the dems don't trust their own voters, eh ? We most likely won't get the chance to hear that speech.



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Oh, the delusions! I fear that fantasy land is YOUR address Curtis. Time to wake up and smell the coffee before it burns!

 

Oh, I'm pretty sure Hillary will be the nominee. Remember, super delegates are there to make sure the dem candidate will get the likely white male vote. Can't have another McGovern, or Mondale, now. Thanx to the rants of his "spiritual advisor", that's not likely to happen. You can blame the right-wing machine all you want, buit I know Hillary must have been pretty happy, the first time she heard about this.

 

Well, after that word from our sponsoring argument :wavey: -- back to the point of the OP--

it is just and fitting to remember and honor those serving in this war, living OR dead, whole OR maimed. Four thousand young lives lost is always sad; I certainly pray that they all knew the Lord before they made the ultimate sacrifice in service to this country. And I pray for God's comfort for their loved ones left behind. raying:

 

Well, we all know that they all were Republicans...Democrats hate America from what some here have said.

 

MP, you're so bad! Here I was trying to throw water on the fire.... :laugh:

I'm sure there ARE some Democrats that hate America, just as I'm sure there are some Republicans that hate America, as well as some "undecideds" that hate America. I don't know any of those people, though, thankfully. And I don't "see" any of those people on this BB, either. Instead, I see a lot of people that LOVE this country--just with different viewpoints about what's "best" for her. In fact, they all love her so much, they blacken each other's eyes fightin' it out, because it DOES matter.

When those 4000 died on the battlefield, they were neither Republican nor Democrat--they were Americans giving the ultimate sacrifice. I thank them for that. Just as it's obvious that EVERYONE here does.

--Okay, station break is over--DING! --time for Round 2!!! :laugh:

 

Bad? Me? :saint:

 

It boggles my mind and I don't understand why we should automatically and inclusively be proud of anyone who gets himself killed as a soldier. Is it because one feels guilt that he was bailing us out? Doing our dirty work for us? If we run out volunteers then maybe the draft will be reinstated and my grandkids will have to go to Canada?

 

Just as I honor fallen police and firefighting personnel for the same reasons. They put their lives on the line, and my life has been made safer and better for their sacrifices.....NO, a policeman who died as a result of a hit-and-run driver in Michigan didn't DIRECTLY make my life safer here in the south....but it's the service as a whole. And it's the military service as a whole--all through the years. I don't have to agree with this particular war that these 4,000 lost their lives in to recognize and honor their lives....and to remember the families they left behind. YES, it's an all volunteer military now. YES, they knew they could be potentially in harm's way when they joined. And, YES, anyone can argue that these particular deaths have made no one "safer"...but this is where THIS COUNTRY'S LEADERS sent these people--and they met their deaths there, doing their duty and following orders. That deserves my respect, IMO.

And as much as your comment upsets me, all the blood of all American soldiers spilled on all the battlefields since America began cries out to say they spilled that blood to give you the right to make your comment. Unfortunately, you may not ever understand that fact fully. :tear:

 

You were the one continually saying you honor them. Just saying, "I honor them," is giving them cheap honor. So, if you really honor them, sacrifice for them.

What does proportion on welfare have to do with it. If you can help a family, why worry about statistics.

It is quite well known that the wives and children of many lower ranked enlisted men have to use food stamps. We pay our soldiers far too little for what we ask of them.

You could honor them by lobbying for higher wages.

Has the government lived up to its promises to them? Have you not heard/read of the scandle at Walter Reed? Have you not heard the protests from veterans over being dropped by the system? Have you not heard how the Army brass has refused to accept diagnosis psychological problems?

 

You have me confused with someone else. That wasn't me.

Just wondering if you are as charitable as you want everyone else to be.

I'd like to see some stats on that. I got out as an E-4, and I've never been on food stamps.

And you could honor them by knowing a little more about them.

Yup. Let's put them in charge of everyone's health care. Ain't that a great idea ?

Did you serve ? If not, I prefer to talk to someone who knows something about what I've been thru. Seems like all you want to do is put up anti-American talking points.

 

It seems that someone on this thread wants to tell everyone else how to properly honor our military - visiting Walter Reed, giving $500 per month to a military family, lobbying for better military pay and health care - without letting us in on which of these (if any) they are currently doing. If these thing are so important, they why isn't the example being set for the rest of us who apparently don't know what it means to honor our military.

Our military doesn't need our pity or our handouts nearly as much as they need our support and respect.

As one who has served in the military (Army NG, Army Reserves), the son of one who has served (Navy), the son in law of one who has served (USMC), the brother of one who has served (Navy), the brother in law of one who has served (Army), the nephew of one who has served (Navy), and the uncle of one currently serving (Navy), I fully support our military. I pray for their safety and success, and I pray for those who make decisions concerning our military.

They deserve more respect and honor then were hearing form many these days.

 

Which, if you will notice, is almost always from liberals.

(OK, time for the little snippets and cutesy put-downs from these same folk! :BangHead: )

 

>Just as I honor fallen police and firefighting personnel for the same reasons.

I was a police officer for 30 years. 40 years it was a fun job, payed the bills, and had job security. These days I would not recommend it for anyone, not in a city over 50,000 people.

Every year there are many more construction workers killed on the job than police officers. Are police officers more honorable than construction workers? Or do police officers have better PR?

 

For the record, I respect everyone who does their job and works hard, since that seems to be what you’re getting at, albeit in a manner that came across as disrespectful to the military. I appreciate the work everyone does ESPECIALLY if it impacts me directly or indirectly. I personally thank the janitor here every day because I appreciate the fact that he empties my trash can and cleans my office so that I don’t have to. I’m not too GOOD to do that work. And I don’t feel GUILTY that he does it for me. I just respect and appreciate his effort that makes my life easier.

That’s the way I feel about police and firefighting personnel, and to a MUCH larger degree about the military men and women serving our country. Construction workers, coal miners, and the folks who wash windows on the side of those skyscrapers all have hazardous jobs—yes—and I DO actually appreciate that and respect them for it. Perhaps the distinction is that, generally speaking, most folks don’t EXPECT that they can die at any moment while doing those jobs, because there’s no one/nothing TRYING to hurt them. That’s not true in law enforcement/firefighting/the military. These people have the very real expectation that ANY MOMENT could be their last as they go about doing their jobs that either directly or indirectly benefit ME. They are doing jobs that I cannot do. I appreciate that. I respect that. I HONOR that.

And I honor the sacrifices made by their families for their work. My dad was a policeman when I was a child. There are very real sacrifices made every day by the families of anyone in this kind of service work. My dad was hurt on the job and sustained a head injury that resulted in epilepsy—which impacted him AND his family for the rest of our lives. I am glad you were happy in your work as a police officer—my Dad was, too. And, whether you want it or not, think you deserve it or not, or whatever—YOU have my gratitude and respect for YOUR service.

And far from having "better PR", I think the folks who risk their lives daily for us usually get the raw end of the deal--they're berated or ignored by the general population that they benefit. And no one doing their job deserves THAT.

 

AMEN!!! How very true!!!

 

Amen - and that's the crux of the whole matter. From another's point of view - if things were far more settled; if the Iraqi army were back up to full speed and police were acting with respect and legally; if corruption was to a minimum; if there was greater security, jobs, some minimal health care and heat, water, light - then, the US might be able to reasonably consider easing off. I think you guys are in it for the long haul whether you like it or not and that's exactly the same situation Canucks are facing in Afghanistan. This is going to take years to get Iraq and Afghanistan on any kind of democratic path, simply because it's such a foreign concept to 99% of their populace. I hope to God (and I say that in all honesty and not in vain) that I'm wrong, but I don't think we're being realistic. I think we're looking at easily 10-12 years - I'm certainly preparing myself for it.