4000 Conners Each Day

You truly don't understand the concept of the rate of abortion - do you? That is obvious from your responses. Since you choose not to understand this concept there is no need for further posts. Let other posters decide the validity of our arguments.

Your accusation of me placating OR is totally unjustified - he thanked me for closing the thread.

Once again you have made false assumptions.

 

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[ December 11, 2004, 09:29 AM: Message edited by: C4K ]

 

I disagree that all women who have abortions are murderers. Many of them, of all races, cultures, and ethnic groups, are poorly educated as to what abortion really is. Our system portrays abortion as a method of birth control. It is portrayed as easy, efficent, and amoral. There are cases, I am sure, where women fully realise that they are murdering their babies, but I think way too often they simply don't take time to consider the consequences of their actions because they are, willingly or not, poorly informed.

 

The true murderers are those criminals in the medical profession who KNOW that they are snuffing out a human life.

Not far behind them are the judges and legislators who legalise the activity.

[ December 11, 2004, 10:33 AM: Message edited by: C4K ]

 

Ron,

This is so simple to understand. Listen for a moment. The issue here is percentage, not numbers. It is about the ratio of black women/abortions to white women/abortions. Black women undeniably have a higher percentage of abortions than white woman do. You have gone on the attack because you do not understand the point.

Statistically speaking, the percentage of population should equal the percentage of abortion. So white women being 75% of or the population should have 75% fo the abortions, and black women being 11% of the population should have 11% of the abortions. Understand so far??

According to the statistics given, white women make up 75% of the population but not 75% of the abortion. They make up only 41% of the abortions. Compare this to black women who make up 11 % of the population, but 31% of the abortions. It is very easy to see that black babies are being murdered at a higher rate relative to population than white babies are.

You made your mistake by thinking in terms of raw numbers, not percentages.

 

.9%!

My friend as C4 would say, Show your UP TO DATE SOURCE! If not, one these issues do not guess!

Ron </font>[/QUOTE]According to the "Alan Guttmacher Institute" the results as of 2002 dated January 2003

From your own source.

 

Ron, if it were counted on a baby by baby basis we would find a greater number of dead white babies than dead black babies.(OKAY?) But that is because there are more white women out there than black women. Go back and read Pastor Larry's last post twice. It explains the comparision that CK4 and I were making.

It doesn't mean that we white folk think that black women are the source of the abortion problem. I do believe that more resources should be directed at educating young black women about the problems with abortion. It is obvious from the numbers that there is a failure to educate that sector of the population. And not only black people but Hispanics as well. They also have a higher rate of abortions than white people.

Please get over the idea that any of us are intentionally being racist.

 

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[ December 12, 2004, 01:08 AM: Message edited by: C4K ]

 

"Black" is a self designated statistical datum.

 

Voluntary genecide? Like lemmings??????

 

Did you vote for George Bush, who made his girlfriend abort when he was a teenager and this baby was not in his plans. It is alright for him to parade with Laura and the twins today, but yesterday, he got his own flesh and blood murdered.

Corinne

 

There are pro-choice republicans and there are pro-life democrats. Stop making it a political issue to bash liberals. Like bush himself, lots of men who voted for Bush did nothing to stop their wives or girlfriends to have abortions, and lots of women who voted for Bush had abortions.

It is a social issue which neither political party can solve alone.

Corinne

 

Do you have any evidence for that other than the claims of porn-king Larry Flynt?

MIRROR STORY

If it's in the Mirror you can trust it

 

No, I really don't think it has sunk in, even with you, OldRegular.

The GOP has been in control of the House, Senate, and White House for several years, and has done NOTHING to outlaw the murder of 4000 babies per day. But, as long as the GOP is in control, you and other GOP devotees seem content to accept every excuse, and blame it on the Democrats, who are also culpable.

You equate Bush with "light", yet he has a detailed, written agenda, and abortion IS NOT EVEN INCLUDED.

Now, let's see you come up with excuses, while babies die.

 

If this charge is true, are you claiming that participating in an abortion 20 or 30 years ago prevents one from being strongly prolife now? Can one not repent and realize they were wrong and become an advocate for right? Was Paul disqualified by God since he had supervised the persecution and murder of believers?

I am not talk about Bush at this point but generally.

Even "Roe" is now strongly pro-life. Many people who ignorantly or knowingly participated in abortion have repented and become pro-life... not in spite of their experience but partly because of it.

Many people early on were ignorant about what an abortion is... I know I was. Many people thought/think that it was/is a means for ending a pregnancy- implicitly, no different than contraception.

It is very different from contraception- a living human being with unique DNA containing all the info needed for growth and life is being killed.

 

No. It is a legal, moral, human rights issue that we must solve. The right to life is the most fundamental right of all. Without it, all other rights are meaningless.

 

If this charge is true, are you claiming that participating in an abortion 20 or 30 years ago prevents one from being strongly prolife now? Can one not repent and realize they were wrong and become an advocate for right? Was Paul disqualified by God since he had supervised the persecution and murder of believers?

I am not talk about Bush at this point but generally.

Even "Roe" is now strongly pro-life. Many people who ignorantly or knowingly participated in abortion have repented and become pro-life... not in spite of their experience but partly because of it.

Many people early on were ignorant about what an abortion is... I know I was. Many people thought/think that it was/is a means for ending a pregnancy- implicitly, no different than contraception.

It is very different from contraception- a living human being with unique DNA containing all the info needed for growth and life is being killed. </font>[/QUOTE]Whatever the circumstances then and the circumstances today, the fact remains that he got his baby murdered and said nothing about it to the general public. It was only known recently when the woman was tracked down (she is now the wife of a FBI agent, I think).

I just wanted to point out that abortion is a personal issue. You imply yourself that if the woman repents (or the man who let it happen) from having had an abortion and becomes pro-life, it makes everything OK... Well it does not in my book. The life that was suppressed will never come back, whether the parents involved are pro choice or pro life today changes nothing to that fact.

Corinne

 

A little fear goes a long way. In Minnesota several years ago when they passed a law requiring that the parents be notified before an abortion would be done, the teen pregnancy rate went down to 25% of what it was before when it was not required that the parents be notified.

 

Do you confess every sin you have ever committed to everyone you can find? Your contention is ridiculous and biased. If you want someone to judge, try Clinton or Gore who were pro-life until it became politically expedient to change positions. The national Democratic party makes no room for pro-lifers.

Was it really by Larry Flint? If so, I would look for more verification.

No. It is not simply a personal issue. It involves the violation of an innocent human's God given right to live. It is no more nor less personal than what Scott Pederson has been convicted of. He had a child, and incidentally a wife, that were inconvenient so he killed them. Please tell me how this differs from an elective abortion.

It does in God's... which matters a great deal more than yours.

But to your specific political point, doing something wrong then repenting is vastly more honorable than doing something wrong then excusing the behavior and continuing to support it in others.

Does it make everything OK? No. Of course not. But of the possible decisions that can be made afterward, it is the most righteous.

No. But it may save another child from the same fate... as well as preventing the parents from making such a grievious, sinful, inhumane choice.

It has been rightly said that we treat animals better than human beings. I find it remarkable that the same political ideology that is home to PETA and other fringe environmental groups supports the annual slaughter of 2.4 million babies in the US alone. Not only that, they want to carry the slaughter to other nations through the UN population control program and scream when a conservative refuses to provide US funding.