'45 million Americans' -- who are those guys?

Do you mean to say that you never listen to leaders such as Johnny Hunt and James Draper?

Perhaps you should read what Johnny Hunt recently said at http://blackchristiannews.com/news/...sbc-says-its-time-to-take-the-gloves-off.html

 

You should be ashamed of the ignorance you have of the convention you claim to so vehemently support.

 

Very good points. I am proud to say none of this describes the church I have been attending.

 

Are you only able to provide sophomoric quips and not able to answer questions directly? If you do not like debate then why are you posting here?

 

Fortunately for the SBC, James Draper and Johny Hunt do not make a continual set of excuses blaming the liberals of years ago. They are willing to deal with the issues today. Did you actually read what Johny Hunt said at http://blackchristiannews.com/news/...sbc-says-its-time-to-take-the-gloves-off.html

If it possible could you comment on what Hunt said?

 

Did you read the article?

 

I know this is off topic, but:

Always, change is negative because of the nature/character of it, and not the existence of it :laugh:

Not sure what you mean here. I've never once in consulting with churches or serving them heard "We have to have Power Point because Jim Henry says so" or whomever. It's always they hear some communication expert do this, or the church down the block or wherever did that and grew, so that must mean that's why, so now that's why you have to have it here. You can substitute PowerPoint for senior ministry, singings, small groups, Christian schools, whatever you want. Every age and every persuasion has their fads. Every one.

 

I probably shoulkd have said that my friend was referring to the substance of the sermons and Sunday School. The idea being that they had down in terms of substance.

I agree. It is almost always some guru that provided a magic pill.

 

I disagree it's always a guru. Some church that's lionized, maybe. Or like I said, whatever the fad of the day is.

 

Of course. Did you read the article?

 

When I pastored my last SBC church I regularly heard what was going on at the state level and how I should be doing ministry from those on the state church growth board who were in the church I was pastoring. When I turned them loose to apply what they were taught by the experts everyone of them failed misreably. They kept me aware of what they were told by the state experts. I knew exactly where the information was coming from and who the gurus were. Often I heard the same exact thing preached at a conference. It was quite clear who was trying to be the influencers. The fact is that the church was experiencing more growth in terms of % and numbers than they had ever seen in its history. Yet those on the church growth board were constantly telling me how to do things but they themselves could not make those same things work. Never once did I ever hear about the role of the Holy Spirit in their plans. The gurus were full of ideas but not one of them made their ideas work. When I went to another state about 500 miles away I heard the same things. It was a very different area. Those who came with their ideas brought them from the south and had never lived or done ministry there before.

 

This has gone beyond me. The local church of which am a member strikes the happiest balance of church administration of any church I have attended.

I will agree that many churches have developed wordly neo-evangelical methods but I don't believe PowerPoint is one of them. The method of delivery should still be the same as from the beginning. The Holy Spirit still convicts in the 21st century when the Word of God is rightly preached to the people of God.

I suppose many pastors were accused of being wordly when the microphone and audio systems were first introduced into the sanctuary.

HankD

 

Recently I read that one of the reasons for excommunicating a person years ago was because of involvement in the stock market. Imagine that today?

 

Oh, yes gb. That persists somewhat to this very day.

Some view involvement in the stock market as a form of gambling, putting up some money to win (hopefully) more money based upon happenstance.

Those who play the stock market object that they spend time researching the arts and sciences of business, finances and economics before making their investment decision, although some/many probably do not. On the other hand the professional gambler also claims spending time researching statistics and numeric patterns in games of chance before going to the casino.

Or the horse race gambler will spend quite a bit of time doing histrorical research of the horses which will be invoved in a given race (or not).

In other words both playing the stock market and gambling can be forms of getting a great deal of something for little or nothing.

Yes, I have stock market investments.

No, I don't gamble, well not for a while anyway.

But, we are getting off course.

HankD