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Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Rufus_1611, May 3, 2007.

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  1. poncho

    poncho Well-Known Member

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    Psychiatrists and Psychologists: Government's 9/11 Story is Crazy

    Should people who question the government's version of the events of 9/11 have their heads examined?

    Well, the following psychiatrists and psychologists have concluded that the official version of 9/11 is false. Moreover, many of these mental health experts have concluded that the government's account is so obviously false that people who believe the government's version are in psychological denial:

    <snip>

    There are literally thousands of other mental health professionals who have reached the same conclusions. So who is out of touch with reality: those who question 9/11 or those who believe the government's version without question?

    Source
     
  2. Baptist in Richmond

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    Exactly.
    Have you ever chopped down a tree? Does it fall over, or does it fall in on itself? A kink in the support would cause it to fall over, not in on itself.

    Like I said, simply thinking aloud.
     
  3. Hope of Glory

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    It's not applicable in this situtation, but it's not necessarily doublethink. The place where I lived before I moved here had a volunteer fire department. (Well, so does here, but here, every fire department is volunteer, except for Anchorage and a few other large, metropolitan areas.) They ran completely off donations. The worst about not donating were the rich people who moved out into the rural areas to escape the high taxes, etc. of the city.

    On more than one occasion when one of these rich peoples' houses would catch fire, all the firefighters would do would be to contain the fire. They would let it burn to the ground, but save it from spreading.

    Now, that being said, I was a specialized firefighter in the Navy. Often, there were fires that we would simply contain, for varying reasons.
     
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    They are designed in such a way that if they go down, they collapse in on themselves.

    It's part of the way they are made.

    Most, if not all, modern skyscrapers are made that way.

    It's part of the cantilevered construction. (Whew! I finally remembered that word!) They also used Vierendeel trusses, if I'm not badly mistaken. It makes the walls part of the load-bearing structure. If something destroyes the integrity of the building, the idea is to get it to collapse upon itself, instead of falling over.

    It's a safety feature.

    Let's not forget that debris damage from the collapse of 1 & 2 also took out 4, 5 and 6, more or less, with 5 collapsing, as well, based on the design of the building. It burned, also.

    Debris damage also took out a church.

    So, even though the buildings are designed to fall in on themselves, debris damage was still major, taking out several other buildings.
     
  5. Baptist in Richmond

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    Thanks.
    :thumbs:

    Regards,
    BiR
     
  6. poncho

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    Modern skyscrapers are designed to collapse in on themselves? First time I've heard that one, can you expand on this some and maybe add a link to an architectural or engineering outfit that would tell us this? I've put alot big glass in tall steel framed buildings while using structural and architectural prints but never any designed to collapse in on itself.
     
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    Well, I would suggest perusing some books on cantilevered construction, and then read some books on the WTC specifically.

    Because of the design, even computer models show that the material will fall at nearly the speed of freefalling objects, in a similar scenario to 9-11.

    They withstood the impacts of aircraft, as they were intended to do, but the designers did not envision a molotov coctail of this magnitude.

    Here's one link from Scientific American that gives a little detail on the issue:Scientific American.

    I would suggest that you could watch an interview with Minoru Yamasaki, but he's dead now. They did interview Thaddeus Craptster the day they came down when they tracked him down in Europe.

    Any building of that size, when it comes down, will come down on itself, particularly when it has used cantilevered construction, and there's no reason to think that will change.
     
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    Lets not lose sight of the fact that building seven was not hit by any aircraft. I'm going to have to go back to my original argument.

    If buildings were designed in such a way that they could hardly help but fall in on themselves, why would this be a hard to accomplish? I think I have heard the cantilevered construction argument before, but I can't find any pages to corroborate this idea. I don't think anyone is actively using this argument to counter any controlled demolition theories. But I could be mistaken.
     
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    Because not very many people are buying such nonsense.
     
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    You make a convincing argument, 2tim, touche!
     
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    ...........
     
  12. 2 Timothy2:1-4

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    Making arguments is the job of the accusers. There is no argument to make when the debate is based on nonsense. It is the equivalent to accusing a person of robbing a bank by being invisible.

    We have a lot of talk about how buildings are constructed and fall and no one here has enough information about building construction with regards to sky scrapers. The speculation that is made as t whether or not a building would fall to the side or crumble on foot is empty as there has been no credible argument made to suggest that it should have happened any way other than what it has. People are proud of their speculation as if it has any weight or bearing on anything.

    When a building falls there are so many variables involved that it is quite a task to determine just how and why it happened. But then conspiracies are never founded on in depth analysis either.
     
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    The first quote is in reference to a group of people in NY. So we have one isolated group who have been influenced by who knows what. And we have no clue what actual questions were asked.

    The second two quotes have nothing to do with this conspiracy nonsense.
     
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    "When a building falls"...you make it sound like this kind of thing happens all the time.
     
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    Calling everything that has been questioned nonsense is the equivalent of saying that there has been no robbery, the money is invisible.
    A conspiracy is an agreement between people to commit a crime. Whether they are founded on any in depth research is moot. If by 'conspiracy' you mean conspiracy theory to explain an event, like three steel framed highrises collapsing in the same city in the same day, you may be right. A theory is a proposed explaination. You propose the theory, then you analyze the evidence to see if the theory is correct. Where is all the evidence from the WTC buildings so we can analyze it to disprove all our theories?
     
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    Zogby poll results, like 82.364% of all stats are MADE UP. :laugh:
     
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    That "isolated group" were the persons closest to the attack and closest to the most eyewitnesses that would have refuted the media/gov't story.

    The questions are contained within the document.

    The second two quotes have to do with a general mistrust. Not everyone necessarily believes the "conspiracy nonsense" but there is a great deal of mistrust in the validity of the information they're receiving.
     
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    This is definitely not a conspriacy.
     
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  19. poncho

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    Well, not too much in the way of in depth analysis anyway.

    http://wtc7.net/

    Scholars for 9/11 Truth

    Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse?
    The Destruction of the World Trade Center:

    Why the Official Account Cannot Be True

    http://www.911truth.org/
    SOURCE

    Making arguements is all the accusers can do, since they don't have enough hard evidence to indict the accusees.
     
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  20. 2 Timothy2:1-4

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    Well good luck with al this stuff guys.:thumbs:
     
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