77% Foreigners chose Kerry - no surprise there, LOL

I have a very good Asian friend who is one of the most devout Christians I have ever met yet this same person views President Bush in a very negative way. She is not anti American but has major problems with US foreign policy and I believe sees Bush as a cowboy. I think it is good at times to listen to how the outside world thinks about us.

 

Joseph
"You guys need to worry a whole lot more about how you are percieved than about what you think of us."
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The only way Balkenende is going to get respect in the USA is if he shows up for a state visit on a Nimbus 2000 carrying the chopped of head of Osama Bin Laden on a pike as a present.

 

Well, sorry ole Chaps!---ain't nothin' we can do about it until 2008---then who will you not like?? Hillary?? God help us if she's elected--Mioque---I just may ask for asslym and see about purchasing a bit of property for a "Bungaloo" over in your "Flatland"---if Hillary is elected---I can move over there and gripe right alongside you!!!!

Will the Outside world gripe about J C Watts if he's elected?? Mike Huckabee??

 

I will gripe if Mike "pardon all rapist and murderers" Huckabee is elected. I will vote for Hillary before I vote for him.

Joseph Botwinick

 

I think that it would be a good thing if people in foreign lands would have more of the same attitude as President Bush does and stop allowing the terrorists to run over everybody and terrorise them. That is why they have continued to get away with it for so long... because people allow them to do it and cower in fear, criticising those who are brave enough to stand up to them.

My husband is part of Homeland Security Counter Terrorism Task Force and he tells me which are the countries that have the most terrorism going on... and so forth. He has really made me a lot more aware of just how widespread this cancer really is around the world.

If other countries would get some guts and help us out, it would make things a lot easier for us but unfortunately all they can seem to do is whine all the time about everything.

But I guess thats why we are called "The Home of the Brave" (and the Land of the free)

If it were not for us and our history of doing something about these bullies... quite a few of you out there would be living under dictatorship.

You see what we did when Osama Bin Laden threatened us if we voted for President Bush? We didnt go running in a hole and say "okay we will do whatever you ask".

I also find it interesting that the foreginers are siding with Bin Laden. Go figure.

Anyway instead of whining, they ought to be helping; it would make things a whole lot easier, but instead they seem to want to make every step as difficult as possible for us by criticising everything our Government does.

Just as a side note, I am so happy President Bush was re-elected. If John Kerry wouldve been elected, in my opinion, it would've been a national disaster.

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http://www.religiouscounterfeits.org

 

..and just so you know, Bill Clinton allowed Osama Bin Laden to get away 4 times because he was so worried what the world would think if he did something about it, accoring to Dick Morris, his advisor. Thats why thousands of Americans were murdered at the World Trade Center.

We hardly needed John Kerry as President, we hardly need another Bill Clinton type.

Stop being Girly Men (and Women)

 

blackbird
You do realize that the hazard of living here is that after 1 illlocated dykebreach you're a goner? In fact if that global warming thing turns out to be true at least the Holland part of the Netherlands will have disappeared beneath the waves before we reach the year 2150. That won't be your problem, but your descendents might wonder why you didn't relocate to a bungalow in Bratislava instead.

 

Claudia_T
Ahum... I see a substantial amount of help here.
http://www.geocities.com/pwhce/willing.html#comment

And this isn't even the important help. The important help is in the exchange of information that helps shut down terrorist networks.

"because people allow them to do it"
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Just like the USA allowed the IRA to raise most of it's funds on US soil. Funds used to slaughter the citizens of the USA's most loyal ally, Great-Britain.

 

Boy you all are sure getting worked up.But finger pointing is what politics and opinions are all about. Have fun. Moique are you really gonna drown. Get a ladder.

 

Ouch.

 

Matt,

I like the "flying fig". I think I will plagerize you. Also, what is (TM)?

 

Bill
Haven't you been told? Currently fully half of the Netherlands lies below sealevel.

 

Lady, you should revise your history books a little bit. Were it not for the French and Lafayette, you would still be under English occupation and rule. So the French helped you build your country (especially when Napoleon gave you a third of it when he accepted to sell Louisiana - which was not just the state it is today but extended from the Gulf of Mexico to Canada and was literally isolating the East from the West - back to you, because he did not want the English to win). We helped you before you helped us in WWII (something for which all people who fought at the time and then taught their children - my generation - to respect the bravery of the US soldiers who came to die in France).

France knows terrorism and fights it. We have, with the Mossad, the most ruthless secret service, and we help the US, for example, in Afghanistan, where we have troops advising the US and doing stuff the US are not trained to do (because we have experience gained from our era in the colonies, we know how do deal with occupants, and we know better than you do what an occupation means from our own history, from Caesar to Hitler). You have only know the English, and believe me, they were not the worst to deal with, from a historial pov.

England deals with terrorism on a daily basis and has done so for decades, due to the conflict in N. Ireland mostly. England has one of the best army units called the SAS, who go all over the world to teach and help allies like the US.

All these people, French forces (not to forget the Legion), English SAS, are working with the US in regions like Afghanistan. If the French are not in Irak, it is because we believed we could reach an international agreement and go there with the assent of the UN community, which is now a nearly defunct organisation thanks to Bush deciding to jump the gun a little too fast. Another reason for the French not going there is because we have 5 million muslims on our soil, who have taught us how to deal with them, and you do not deal with them with blunt force, you deal with them with a guerilla type of war, because their culture is a barbarian one compared to ours and yours. The US was just not ready for that and neither were the French or the English. Now you and the english pay the price every day. Everymonth more of your soldiers die than the month before. you lost in Vietnam for more or less the same reasons: these people you are occupying do not reason like you or me do. they have their own way of thinking. Air bombing them just is not enough. And if you go in, you have to be ready to see heads roll, because that is the way they do things.

When you say foreigners side with Bin Laden, you do not know what you are talking about, Lady. Ask your husband, he must have forgotten to tell you that the CIA trained and armed Ben Laden, not the French or anybody not English. Thefore please stop insulting foreigners by implying that we agree with what Ben Laden is doing. We want him taken out as much as you do. Maybe when you had him cornered in Afghanistan, you should not have let the Afghans deal with him (result: they let him go) and done the job yourself, as you should have. Don't go complaining now.

Corinne

 

Please folks, we cannot let our forum degenerate into a US v. the world mindset. As an American living is Europe I have grown to appreciate that no country has a monopoly on courage, strength, or pride of nation. On the other hand no country has a monopoly on corruption, apostacy, and sin.

Let's tone the disagreements down a bit shall we? As far as I know everyone posting here will be spending eternity together without any national boundries. Can we start acting that way? We do not have to all agree, but we also do not need to be attacking each other's persons or citizenship.

 

Fine with me. But I will not sit there being accused of siding with Ben Laden, or reading that Clinton let Ben Laden get away a few times, when Bush in 4 years has not been able to do any better. There is no use putting the blame on either Clinton or Bush or whoever, the Presidents were not the ones on the ground, armed forces were, and they made the calls they could, took the decisions they could. I am certain that if an american soldier or a French soldier in Afghanistan had been able to put a hand on the guy, his head would not be worth much.

Faced with the muslim threat, guys, we americans and French are in this together, believe me.

Corinne

 

Corrine,

Please note that I did not favour either side with my request. I am asking both sides to tone it down a bit.

Thanks.
Roger
C4K
Moderator

 

Fine with me. But I will not sit there being accused of siding with Ben Laden, or reading that Clinton let Ben Laden get away a few times, when Bush in 4 years has not been able to do any better.
</font>[/QUOTE]Actually, he did. Even Dick Morris, one of his advisors, admits that. The difference between him and Bush is that Bush is actually trying to do something about UBL instead of worrying about what his European neighbors think of him.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Let's see. Chirac had a chance to meet with the new Iraqi leader Allawyi, and snubbed him instead to meet with Arafat. No, I don't believe we are in this together. The French Government is buried up to their ears in the corrupt oil for food scandal where they promised a veto to Saddam of American action for his oil. No, I don't believe we are on the same side.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Joseph, you both ARE on the same side as Christians. While you may not agree with the actions of someone in leadership, please try to be sure not to apply those feelings to individuals such as Corinne. I don't believe that was your intention, but it's easy to misunderstand and come across as harsh when all someone can see is typed words.
Gina

 

1. This is the politics forum, not a Christian doctrine / fruit inspection forum. The context of almost all my statements here are political, not spiritual.

2. I addressed my statements to the leadership of France specifically and in general, the population of France. This is what I have seen and until they show me otherwise, I have to believe that the majority of French are anti-American.

Joseph Botwinick