a 10 billion dollar question?

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  1. ajg1959

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    Obama said that we are spending 10 billion dollars a month in Iraq, and that we should be spending that money creating jobs here in America.

    Can someone please explain to me how the US government would use that money to create jobs?

    What jobs can the government create? Well, maybe hiring more IRS agents to collect the taxes that Obama will need to fund all of his promises.

    I know what he said sounds good, but it doesnt make sense to me.

    BTW, how is he going to provide all of this health care and education benefits AND lower taxes for 95% of Americans? I dont get it. How can you spend more, yet collect less?

    AJ
     
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    I am not a Obama supporter, but to answer your question. Funding for more schools would add jobs. Also funding for research, would add jobs. Repairing and rebuilding our infrastructure would create a tremendous amount of jobs. These are just a few examples.
     
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    I tend to think that the government is already doing everything it is going to do here at home, regardless of iraq.

    Do you really think that the war is taking anything away from our schools and infrastructure?

    I just dont see it.

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    I wasn't trying to make that point, just answering your question.

     
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    I'm still looking for the passage in the US Constitution that says it is the government's duty to create jobs for its citizenry.
     
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    Yeah Rbell, that is my point here. It sounds good for Obama to say but it has no substance.

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    I think Obamas point is that if the government is going to spend that much of our tax dollars it would be better spent here at home rather than in Iraq. However as ajg1959 pointed out in reality that much additional wouldn't have been spent here.
     
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    Truisms such as this have taken over our national consciousness...truisms such as:
    • The government should be in the business of creating jobs.
    • It is the president's job to make the economy go well.
    • It is the government's job to make sure I have insurance.
    • It is the government's job to make sure I have affordable housing.
    • It is the government (or president's) job to ensure that all Americans, without exception, prosper.
    None of the above are constitutionally mandated; none of them are feasible; none of them are healthy for a free society to expect...and yet all of them have become par for the course.

    Hope lots of you are rich...you have a bunch of garbage to pay for. And, by the way...
    • Look for "rich" to be re-defined as we get further and further in debt. (For further information, see the "alternative minimum tax" et al)
    • Remember: if you're rich, it's not due to hard work, it's due to "luck," or "good fortune."
    • Always keep in mind, the entity that best takes care of people is not themselves...it is the government.
    This concludes your socialism lesson for the day. If you are one of the "fortunate," be sure and leave your fees for the "less fortunate" in the collection boxes at the front of the room.
     
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    That was great. I enjoyed that lesson.

    I dont understand why liberals keep talking about the "Bush economy". The president doesnt do anything to make the economy worse or better. And, everyone keeps overlooking the fact that the economic mess is worldwide, not just here in the USA. European banks are facing the same problems ours are. Inflation is way higher in Asia than it is here. And Obama says he can fix it all?

    I almost want him to win, just so this country will learn some truths and face reality. Nahhhhh......I dont want him anywhere near the White House.:laugh:

    AJ
     
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    The first thing I thought of when Barak used that 10 billion dollars a month figure was the 700 Billion, no 800 Billion, no 850 billion dollar bail out (and did McCain say he was going to add another 300 billion to that buying up more bad debt?) We are spending as much paying off bankers for making bad loans as we would in Iraq if the war were to go on another 6 years!
     
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    Great post, Rbell. :thumbs:
     
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    How about: "Support the troops"?
     
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    America is in trouble because of the reckless spending of Republicans over the last 8 years. We simply cannot afford to continue spending as much as the rest of the world combined on war. Why should Christians be so much in favor of killing their fellow human beings? I just don't understand. But go ahead and drive America into bankruptcy like Iceland because you just have to be the Supreme ruler of the world.
     
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    For starters, infrastructure. We can build bridges to somewhere and improve the interstate system since it is vastly over croawded in most major cities. We also need to invest in safer crash guards,

    Health care programs for children. Programs to help with inoculation shots and early childhood preventive care.

    Remember, this was done before with the "new deal" so this is not a new concept for the government.
     
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    all of what you say is truley good. but "touchy feeley" politics is just a dream.

    even the most staunch republicans want the things you just pointed out, but the dems will oppose even the most needed legislation as long as it is a republican that proposes it, and might gain some politcal adantage by supporting it.

    AJ
     
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    And yet, you believe the lie that our funding of the war is at the expense of the workers here at home?

    Please tell me how much of the 10billion we spend in Iraq wil be saved by having a "home based" , "in garrison" military as you propose?

    How much real difference is there between funding our troops in Iraq, and funding them while in garrison, here at home.

    Many of you may not know what "in garrison" means, but just ask MajorB, he can tell you.

    And my main question is this? If Obama saves us the 10 billion a month in Iraq.....how will he use that to create jobs here at home?

    That statement he made sounds good, but how will it actually come to be?

    When has the government ever used 10 billion to create jobs?

    When has it ever been the job of the government to create jobs?

    Someone plaese tell me how the governmant has ever created jobs in the private business world?

    AJ
     
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    Don't know if it is the governments job to create jobs but in the early seventies when unemployment was at a high mark the government did subsidize job. This was in the Nixon era. So by subsidizing they are in fact creating jobs for the unemployed.
     
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    Now AJ that was a little harsh. He can go to the White House, there are several tours every day!
     
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    When I am hunting and fishing back in arkansas, I see signs by the roads and even on some "game ponds" way back in the woods that say things like "WPA 1932" I think this was a great idea, but it died after the liberals came to power.

    With the WPA, folks were gauranteed a job and paid for it. Maybe we would be better of if we took the same approach today, and, instead of giving huge contracts to private companys that exploit governemnt funding for civil projects, we employed the unemployed, then we would achieve three things,,,,,

    One, we would get a return on the unemployment benefits that we pay out.

    Two, We would encourage folks to gain employment instead of just using the system.

    And Three, we would stop the corporations that depend on govenement support from fradulently billing the governmant for wildly overbilled expenses.

    The WPA was a government program tha t benifited everyone. The folks that needed a job were gauranteed one, but the ones paying for it got a return, instead of just a higher tax bill.

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