a 100-0 win...what would YOU do?

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  1. rbell

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    Hopefully with this response:

    The beaten team has several girls with learning and other difficulties.
     
  3. Aaron

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    The winning school shouldn't be to upset at giving it their all to the bitter end, and the losing team should be proud that they gave it their all too. If they didn't want their butts kicked, they never should have gotten into the game. But they took the butt-kicking in stride, and that shows their character! :thumbs:
     
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    Thanks for the story rbell. Of course this should have never happened. It looks like the Covenant school was trying to set some kind of record and break 100 points. I cannot imagine being a parent or coach on that team. The coach for Covenant needs to be removed from coaching. A simple apology and forfeit of the game is not sufficient. To be honest, if I were principle of the Covenant school I would fire the coach and disband the team for the remainder of the season. It is a high price to pay but every girl that participated needs to be held accountable. It would only have taken one willing to stand up and say "This is not right."

    But talk about making lemonade, I am very impressed with the Dallas Academy girls. I don't think I could have stayed out there. I believe I would have given up and walked off, or knowing myself, I probably would have taken it out on someone else.

    From the link:

     
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    People work hard, do their best and achieve something, and they appologize for it. This is stupid, someone has no idea what sports is all about. Someone wins, someone loses. And life goes on.
    Reminds me of this ignorant thing where schools can not tell kids their wrong it might hurt their feelsing. And of course they go through school never learning whats right, because they had to allow kids to make up their own answers. No education allowed. Only feel good about yourself, because you got it 'right'.
    You can teach kids to succeed, or to cower down and appologize not to try to succeed, because soemoen might lose and get their feelsing hurt.
     
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    Well I agree with the someone has no idea what sports is all about part.

    Anyone willing to participate in a 100-0 game has no idea what sports, particularly youth sports, particularly youth sports at a school for children with learning disabilities is all about.

    The Covenant school could have played all their scrubs. They could have let their freshmen and sophomores get some playing time. They could have relaxed their press and worked on their zone and man to man sets. They could have slowed down and worked on fundamentals. They could have learned a lot but they did not.

    You can do your best and win, even win convincingly without rubbing the other players faces in it. According the article the Dallas Academy has not won a game in years, but it sure sounds like they have a much better idea of what sports are supposed to be all about.

    Tell you what, lets drop basketball and just go to boxing instead. I will bring in some handicapped kid half your size and let you beat the crap out of them till they pass out. That will sure make you a better person won't it?
     
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    Excellent post NCT - truly excellent. The event itself was unfortunate, but the results show that both teams understand true sportsmanship.

    Their an unwritten rule in soccer that says if a team has an injury and they kick the ball out of bounds to stop play, the other team will give the ball back to them when they throw it back in. Some one have them take advantage and go for the kill.

    I am a competitor. I hate to lose, but there is a lot more to sports that crushing an opponent. I think the word is 'sportsmanship.'
     
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    It's not that they should apologize for being good at basketball. No one is asking them to throw the game. However, it is beyond ridiculous to keep your starters in a game when you are not only blowing out but shutting out your opponent in basketball. The coach of the winning team displayed his complete lack of class in that game.

    There is running up the score and then there is being ridiculous.
     
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    As a former basketball coach, I would say there's a way to give your best, but not run up the score. Apparently, the winning team was employing a full-court press late in the game.

    There's no need for that, IMO.

    They also took a lot of 3 point shots...but I look at that differently. You probably had a bunch of girls in there who don't play much and rarely, if ever, score. This was their chance.

    However, on defense...they should have not pressed, IMO.

    When I coached, our general rule was: if we were up by 25 points or more in the second half, we did not press. I also played the bench like crazy when there was a blowout.
     
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    There is a huge difference between playing to win and being poor sportsmen and women. All teams should play to win if not why play at all. But to run up a score like this shows a lack of class on the coaches.

    Not to derail this thread here is a story also from Texas that shows class.

    I love this story.



    http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/st...ine&id=3789373


    Way to go Grapevine Faith!
     
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    Been there, You just don't run up the score on kids.

    I coached a soccer team where putting in the scrubs wouldn't help. We didn't have starters and scrubs. Everyoneone was talented. We played a team that was horrible and we knew going in that other teams had beaten them 10 or 15 to 0. We went up 3-0 and stopped shooting. We worked on possesing the ball, making crisp passes etc. After the game, the kids on the losing team was shaking hands with our guys saying it was the collest thing they had ever saw. They wanted to know what we did in practice, how to do certain things, etc. Both teams learned a lot.

    Funny thing is later we were playing a very good team and we took a lead late in the game. After getting the lead we were able to hold the ball for 8 minutes without a turnover to win the game. The skills we developed in the blowout helped us win a close game.

    The coach should be fired if the school really believes that the sports are for the students. But then we all know that they are not.
     
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    Even pros don't run up the score..

    Bad sportsmenship..

    It's bad to be a sore loser.. .worse to be a sore winner...
     
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    I can't believe this behaviour is being encouraged on the BB. Unbelievable...

    I guess since bad sportsmanship is not mentiond in the Bible, it's OK :(
     
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    Methinks you completely missed the point.

    The winning team kept their starters in.

    The winning team "pressed" on defense...actively trying to run up the score.

    Thankfully, they apologized...not for winning, but for how they won.
     
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    Although I was not a basketball player. In my younger years I watched a masterful basketball coach who had quite an impact on me and consistently won games year after year. Whenever the team got very far ahead he played the second team. It seemed like it kept the first team a lot more humble. It also continued to build the less experienced players for the following years.

    In high school I had a wrestling coach who insisted that a wrestler never make a wrestler look bad from the other team by humiliating him. Once our coach pulled our wrestler from the match and forfeited the match. He told the wrestler that he would not be wrestling for the next two weeks but had to show up for practice and matches. Our wrestler was humiliated the other wrestler who was not very good but was doing his best. I had great respect for that coach and still do. We should do our best but not to humiliate the opponent. Win fairly and lose graciously but never be arrogant. I was not very good at wrestling, but I will never forget what he said about me in front of the students and members of the community. I was tall, skinny, and uncoordinated. At the end of the season I did not feel very good because I had not wrestled in many competitions but when he said what he did I determined that I would go out again the next year and give it my best. He told the public and students that he wished there were more like me because I was at every practice and every match. I did go out the next year and worked hard. I had never worked that hard in a sport in my life. That has come to reward me in so many ways in other areas of life. I experienced both encouragement and the rewards of hard work.
     
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    It reminds me of the movie Karate Kid.. the jerks that wanted to win no matter the cost... vs.. a good guy.

    Sadly, I can see some on BB... and I know which side they would have been cheering for...
     
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    One should think that after the first half an honest coach would have dropped in the second and third string, dropped to a passive half court defense with lots of holes, and (if all else failed) instructed his players to cheer for the other team when they did score.

    BTW, the article about the football team from Texas..tremendous example of grace filled living out of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
     
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    My guess is that those that are voicing opinions in favor of this have never played high school sports, at least I hope that is the case. Coaching at the high school level is not just about winning, it is about instilling sportsmanship and values into student-athletes

    Here is a quote and link to another article about the game.

    http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/012209dnsposhutout.40d72ee.html

    ""They are really good," Civello said. "Their point guard is terrific. This is what it came down to in the second half: steal at half court and layup. Steal and layup. Steal and layup. It was a layup drill. They finally eased up when they got to 100 with about four minutes left." Covenant's point guard had 48 points. "


    At the very least when the score was 59-0 at the half the coaches should have instructed the team to not press on defense. On offense they could have worked on their passing and outside shooting. They should have passed the ball until just enough time for one shot from the outside, and not drive to the basket. All the starters should have been out after half-time.
     
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    Excellent post! There is more to participating in sports than getting a win. Earning a win because of hard work, practice, and good executiuon is indeed honorable and should be celebrated. Winning by taking advantage of a lesser team/opponent is not honorable... period.
     
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    The Karate Kid? It could only remind one of the Karate Kid if the Dallas Academy were winning and the Covenant school cheated to win by injuring the other players.

    And you say there are BB members here who'd support that?
     

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