A Birth Control Quiz

Is that where Luther says birth control is sodomy? That's quite a stretch.

 

You need to read the verse in context:

 

Diane, the next verse tells us how children are a blessing:

To meet the enemy at the gate.

When your children go to meet the enemy at the gate to defend you, would you be more blessed sending 3 or 14?

 

</font>[/QUOTE]Diane,

I happen to be a bow hunter and my quiver holds at least a dozen. Don't think any warrior in those days would have gone to battle with 2 or three arrows with a hoard of Philistines bearing down on him when he could have carried many more. I am well aware of the context and from my perspective it only strengthens my point. Let the Word of God convict you and repent if you are involved in this scourage on society. The gays have ways around Romans 1 also. Be careful.

God has the hairs on our heads numbered. He provides. I grew up in a family of 17. We weren't rich but we didn't starve or freeze and were not naked. Every single one of my brothers and sisters has been a blessing to me in one form or another. I see too many people with boats and snowmobiles saying I can't afford any more children. "Saying there are too many children is like saying there are too many flowers." Mother Teresa.

Blessings

 

By the way Diane, we get it all the time. "where does it say that in the Bible" so what's good for the goose.

Do you see anyone in the Bible limiting the size of their family? Abraham? Moses? Noah? Adam? Joseph? There is one. His name was Onan. I am sure you are familiar with him. Anywhere in the Bible that it says you can limit the size of your family for any reason? Surely you have one verse to support this practice? "Be fruitful and multiply" is God's command to YOU. I see nowhere in scripture that it says the command has expired.

Blessings (many of them)

 

Preventing pregnancy by abstaining from relations or by having a permanent procedure (vasectomy) is NOT sin. There is NO scripture to support your stance!
(I am NOT including birth control pills or IUD type contraceptives in that remark as those cause abortions.)

Diane </font>[/QUOTE]By the same token you can't provide ANY scripture support that Vasectomy is approved by God.

Your stance is moot.


LaRae

 

I find it almost funny (almost funny because at the same time it is so sad) that some simultaneously believe that:

it is ok to mutilate their bodies with surgery to alter God given functions for the purpose of avoiding conceiving children....

But getting a tatoo is a sinful desecration of the temple of the Holy Spirit.

 

I have not yet heard a Baptist say cloning is okay. Yet the scriptural support for banning it is hardly easy to come by. Diane, what do you think? Cloning of humans okay? I even have seen where one group wants to clone Jesus Christ. They plan on getting DNA from the Shroud or one of the many authenticated relics, i.e. pieces of the cross, the crown of thornes, etc. etc. I am sure they have this all worked out as to how the second coming is going to come about. Anybody okay with this? Anyone willing to give it the thumbs up or say this is not sin?

Blessings

 

How is having sex using conception any different from not having sex at all?

Isn't the net result the same?

 

No, not at all.

Sex with conception = baby

No sex = no baby

Very different result.

 

How is having sex using conception any different from not having sex at all?

Isn't the net result the same? </font>[/QUOTE]So the ends justfies the means?

The Bible clearly says it is permissible to 'spend a time apart' from one's spouse and devot themselves to prayer.

The Bible does NOT say it's ok to use various artifical methods to prevent conception.


LaRae

 

How is having sex using conception any different from not having sex at all?

Isn't the net result the same? </font>[/QUOTE]Only if you consider sex for pure animalistic function, i.e. procreation.

However sex between a husband and wife is a lot more than that -- it is a reflection of their whole relationship and an expression of closeness and trust that, in a Christian marriage, cannot be equaled by anything else. Perhaps that is why the Lord mentioned the two becoming one...

Also, this is not a thread to 'pick on Diane'. You guys ought to be ashamed of yourselves for stooping to attack a person when a subject of this import is being discussed.

I do not believe there are many women who, not using any birth control at all, conceive child after child after child. Some do, yes, but it is rather rare, actually. In the Bible, we see much more problem with conceiving than not conceiving, don't we? Even with four partners, Jacob only managed twelve sons and one recorded daughter (although there may have been more).

So yes, I am against birth control. But I am also against attacks on people who disagree with me. Discuss the subject, not the people, folks.

 

A little analogy that always comes to mind for me:

God is the creator.
We are made in the image and likeness of God.
Because of this, we are allowed to pro-create, to assist in the creation of new people, and new children of God.
When God intends to create, there is nothing prohibiting it.
When we procreate, why should we, who are made in the likeness of God, not have the same intention? What if God used contraception when making your soul? (Yes, that is silly, but only because God would never do such a thing.)

 

If you are going to be consistant, you must believe that anyone who does not get married and procreates must be doing something evil.

 

If you are going to be consistant, you must believe that anyone who does not get married and procreates must be doing something evil. </font>[/QUOTE]You are equivicating an action with a non-action. In essence, Catholics are not against birth control; they are against contraception. Yes, being the unmarried virgin that I am, I am practicing "birth control" by not causing any babies to be born. But, that is only because babies come about from a specific act, procreation. If one procreates but contracepts, one kills the procreation act: it is counter-conception. My point is that every time a human life is being formed, God doesn't NOT put a soul in. We should have the same respect, and if we are going to "procreate," then we should be as open to the creation of the life as God is to the creation of the soul.

You are purposefully keeping God out of the sexual act by not allowing him to participate, because you are willfully denying the joining of the sperm and the egg, where when joined, God implants a new soul. Even if no new life results from the joining of the man and woman, without contraception, the action is open to the movement of God in creating a new life. With contraception, the act is closed to God's work by disallowing the joining of the sperm/egg to occur.

 

Which means that you and all your fellow Catholics from the Pope right on down suffer from fallibility.

 

God didn't make your soul. Your soul is the result of the natural procreative process. God stopped creating on the sixth day when it was all done and it was very good. This little analogy of yours has no similarity whatsoever. The only close connection would be to argue that God stopped creating but still enjoyed his creation. So we as humans can stop procreating but still enjoy the marital relationship.

 

Do you really think that God can't overcome contraception if He wanted to?

 

If God didn't make my soul, who did? If the soul is a product of the natural union, then how am I expected to live past my natural life? Is the soul purley natural, or is it of supernatural substance?

As to "God overcoming contraception," why would you put the obstacle in his way in the first place?

 

Because I don't believe what the RCC teaches on this matter.