A common denominator

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  1. Speedpass

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    I am trying to find out why a Baptist would support abortion, be against inerrancy, believe that the first 11 chapters of Genesis aren't literal, encourage women to be pastors and deacons, literally separate church from state, favor high and liturgical worship, minimize the use of masculine references for God, support special rights for homosexuals, emphasize social ministry over evangelism/church planting, be completely against war, and endorse a woman's right to abort her pregnancy. What is the tie which binds all these issues together?
     
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    I would like to know this as well :confused:
     
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    Because not everyone interprets the Bible as you do, and believe it or not, your interpretation is probably not the only correct interpretation. Neither is mine, no doubt.
     
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    Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone

    that pretty much wraps it up man.
     
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    In 2 Timothy 4 I believe it says these things will happen in the end days in which we live. And Jesus told us that there would be wolves among the sheep. These issues and many more are causing me to reconsider being a Baptist anymore.

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    don't give up on the baptist faith just because there are a lot of apostates out there. just don't become one of them. keep up the good fight and finish the course! trust me, the other "faiths" are much worse. for the most part baptists are the only ones who have stuck to the fundamentals of the Bible.
     
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    Disagreements over issues of the day have been part of the church since day 1. in the 1800's, we were arguing over slavery. In another 100 years, the topic will be something else. That's part of being imperfect humans. It's also a part of growth. Do not let disagreements over issues sway your affiliation. Personally, I would be worried if we DIDN'T have disagreements over issues, because that means we're not learning.
     
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    man i don't know about you, but i'm hoping that Christ will have returned by then, and none of this will matter, amen?
     
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    man i don't know about you, but i'm hoping that Christ will have returned by then, and none of this will matter, amen?</font>[/QUOTE]How about tonight.... Or right now....
     
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    man i don't know about you, but i'm hoping that Christ will have returned by then, and none of this will matter, amen?</font>[/QUOTE]How about tonight.... Or right now....</font>[/QUOTE]i'm with you, let's go!!!! [​IMG]
     
  11. Johnv

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    Since I don't necesserily believe in premillenialism, I don't think Jesus is coming any time soon.

    No matter who's right, we shouldn't worry about tomorrow, and let tomorrow worry about itself.
     
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    ...support abortion,

    Because it's a biblical and ethical grey area.

    ...be against inerrancy,

    Because they read the Bible and study responsible biblical scholarship.

    ...believe that the first 11 chapters of Genesis aren't literal,

    Because they actually read them.

    ...encourage women to be pastors and deacons,

    Because they don't want to stand in the way of God's call.

    ...literally separate church from state,

    Because this is one of the core baptist distinctives.

    ...favor high and liturgical worship,

    Because it ties local church worship to the larger Christian tradition.

    ...minimize the use of masculine references for God,

    Because holy God has no sexual identity and calling God who is He, She, and Neither only "He" is theologically unhealthy.

    ...support special rights for homosexuals,

    Protection from discrimination is not "special rights." Many Christians (including baptists) see Jesus' ministry as a radical call to social equality.

    ...emphasize social ministry over evangelism/church planting,

    This is an easy trap to fall into when someone works closely with the oppressed and downtrodden. Working with and for those groups was obviously a huge part of Jesus' ministry; and it's easy to forget that it was not the sum of it.

    ...be completely against war,

    Although I've never favored this kind of naivete; many, many good Christians have. It does seem most consistent with the biblical record of the teachings of Jesus - but like much of the gospel strikes me as impractical.

    ...and endorse a woman's right to abort her pregnancy.

    Is there a reason you mentioned this one twice?

    What is the tie which binds all these issues together?

    Well, I don't believe all of those things but I support many of them. The short answer for me is that I believe in Christianity, not "Christianity which is synonymous with politically conservative American culture."

    Joshua
     
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    Oops, sorry Joshua, I didn't know that I posted the abortion question twice. I guess getting by on only 3 hours of sleep last nite does rub off on me--LOL
     
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    Is FATHER not masculine...

    "Because holy God has no sexual identity and calling God who is He, She, and Neither only "He" is theologically unhealthy."
     
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    Homosexuality IS sin
     
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    I am trying to find out why ANYONE would want to support those issues. It isn't a matter of merely a difference of opinion and we should all just live and let live. I say 2 + 2 = 4 and you say it isn't. One of us is wrong. There is entirely too much "reasonableness" on the part of Bible believing Christians when it comes to issues of this sort. I, for one, am not willing to "open up a dialogue" on whether or not a fetus is a human being. The tie that binds, Ex (Can I call you Ex?) is the spirit of antichrist. That spirit will NEVER be reasonable and acknowledge the truth that is in the Bible but will always argue that we are wrong.

    [ January 24, 2003, 08:01 PM: Message edited by: Artimaeus ]
     
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    Thou shalt not kill
     
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    duplicated - sorry

    [ January 24, 2003, 08:04 PM: Message edited by: Gwyneth ]
     
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    Separation of church & state aside, you mean we must all believe exactly the same things on these issues, even though they're not one of the baptist foundations?

    Funny that you mention that you disagree with a literal separation of church and state, which IS a baptist foundation.
     

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