A dead Iraqi is just another dead Iraqi

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    http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070730/hedges

    This article by the Nation, based on interviews with 50 named soldiers who served in Iraq, shows the consequences of our attitude towards the war: the lives of Iraqis are equated with the lives of terrorists, and killing has become an end in itself. We have soldiers whose attitudes are the same as terrorists', except directed against Iraqis instead of Americans.

    The soldiers tell stories of how prisoners are routinely beaten because one person claimed they planted a bomb. Dead civilians are framed as terrorists to justify shootings.



    To people who still support this war, do you still think we're decreasing the number of Islamic terrorists and sympathizers?
     
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    Here it comes, listen close. The new conservatives here are about to complain that the nation is a librul rag with an axe to grind against Dubya (Saddam did 9/11) Cheney.
     
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    The conclusion you have drawn is the sure sign of one who has not had to cope with the horrors of war and doesn't understand the mechanisms the mind uses to do it.

    It's been going on for thousands of years. No war I'm aware of has been an exception. Our war against Japan may be the best example of our armed forces dehumanizing the enemy in our modern history.
     
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    And The Nation is a liberal rag.
     
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    Did you miss all the US veterans who were condemning the actions of their fellow soldiers?

    Have I posted in support of any war? I don't know of any major war where each soldier proved compassionate and respectful.

    Do you think we should just shrug off anything our troops might do as the inevitable cost of an occupation?
     
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    Im not a new conservative or a neo but if that is what they would say then I agree with them. If democracy and capatalism is spread then the communist will have a harder time.
     
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    How biased of them to use facts and interviews to show us what's happening in Iraq.
    Maybe I should take a page from your book and reply to every article you post with "conservative rag", but not bother to actually make an argument.
     
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    There is a least some chance that some of the stories of some of the Iraq veterans are natural embellishments of young soldiers. Some may be sort of like an "urban legend" that takes on a life of it's own. Some may be hearsay only. Others may be outright lies told for that particular veterans own reasons. Some will be the absolute truth.

    Vietnam veterans have an intimate acquaintance with such "stories".

    They're doing a tough, dangerous job under adverse conditions while being told by anti war cretins here at home, whose idea of "support" is to tell them that their lives and their efforts are wasted.

    Makes for a nice day at the office.:(
     
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    I know it is. :laugh:
     
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    If it weren't for democracies and capitalists funding it communism would have a harder time. As is it communism has been very very good to Govcorp over the years. It's helped to fill the capitalists pockets with our tax money for decades. But it doesn't have to be communism to generate wealth any threat will do, crime and drugs worked well enough but terrorism is an unbeatable investment for capitalists. I'd say it's more like give and take.
     
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    The veterans interviewed were named, so the people who served with them will have the chance to call them out on any embellishments.

    I'm not going to overlook atrocities just because they were commited by people doing "tough, dangerous jobs". And I find name-calling rather childish.
     
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    Of course you're not. :rolleyes:

    Be careful how you use the word "atrocity". When it comes to the war, I doubt you have any idea what would qualify as an atrocity.
     
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    How about the Haditha killings?
     
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    He say's as if any of the chicken hawk neocons who wanted these wars could ever lay claim to such a personal knowledge of war and atrocities.:rolleyes:
     
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    How about all the charges that have been dropped against the Haditha Marines that John Murtha pronounced guilty of cold blooded murder?

    Seems to be a decided lack of concrete evidence to prove unlawful killings.
     
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    From the article:

    "Many said that these acts were perpetrated by a minority. But they nevertheless described such acts as common..."


    The dupliciousness of a John Kerry is echoed once again.

    Reading it turned my stomach. Shades of the so called "Winter Soldier Investigations". Look hard for the dirt and hand pick your "witnesses" and never, but never, give all the details. Only the bloodiest and most abhorrent.
     
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    What are you talking about? They're still being tried. Lance Corporal Tatum's hearing began this week.

    I'm impressed that you're denying this event happened.
     
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    It is this new anti-war mentality that will make Americas ability to fight in and win wars, increasingly difficult. Collateral damage is a fact of war, but with these modern weapons systems, these collateral's are vastly minimized. Never the less, a war kills people of all walks. Why do you suppose it was/is so hard to get veterans from WWI and WWII to talk of war? I know many Vets from these wars and Viet Nam, and they know there is no way to talk of the "incedents" that happen in the heat of battle, nor should that be required. If you want to complete the destruction of out military might, require these things to be made public. I know a couple of VN vets that are really messed up because of one or two choices they made in battle.

    War is not a place to display "fair play", but to kill the enemy, and destroy his war making ability as fast as possible. It will preserve lives on both sides, and project America's principals and preserve our interests.
     
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    That's why congress is suppose to declare wars and not authorize regime change and nation building schemes. But that went out the constitutional window when we became members of the international community and took on the responsibility of protecting the whole world from evil. Now we've been reduced to the point of being the intimidators and attack dogs for foreign interests.

    What principles is America projecting anyways? Not what we wish it to project but what it is actually projecting? What do all the people we're projecting to think of us now?
     
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    You don't understand the military system. None of them are on trial nor have any of them been on trial.

    What you referred to was as Article 32 hearing which is held to see if there is enough evidence to even go to court.

    Last week the hearing officer recomended not going to trial for one of the other Marines.

    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8QACP0G1&show_article=1
     
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