A "different" Jesus/God

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  1. Gina B

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    I've kept quiet about this for years, but it really bothers me so I figured I'd straighten all y'all out.

    When someone disagrees with someone else's interpretation of doctrine, or if they're in a different denom or in an LDS church or what have you, people will say things like "they don't serve the same Jesus" or they don't serve the same "God".

    That's getting really old, and it's not getting any truer the more it's said.

    Most people here worship the exact same one, but have a different understanding of things.
    Mormons don't believe in a "different Jesus." They believe in the exact same Jesus you do, but they don't fully understand His power and authority.

    Calvinists and everyone else believe in the same God. They just think he operates in a different manner.

    On and on and on....

    It's thrown around all the time. That's not the God *I* serve!

    Think about what you're saying. If you take a minute and think about that, you'll probably feel like an idiot and you probably should. Not only that, but a pretty nasty idiot. If someone isn't serving the true God, they're serving Satan. They're evil. Yet people throw out that accusation on here like candy at a kids birthday party.
     
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    Gina you could not be more wrong.

    I was LDS and now am Baptist. Trust me it is a different God and a different Jesus. I did not gain more understanding of God when I was saved. I was introduced to a compleatly different God and a compleatly different Jesus that I knew nothing about.

    Would you extend that to all religions. Budists an Muslems just call god by a different name. Hindeus and pagens just see god in a different way then we do. They just misunderstand him. We all believe in the same god just give him different names and atributes. Does this sound right.

    If you would like to compair the god I worshiped as a Mormon to the God we worship now, we could easly do that. You will find that even though we both call Him God everything else is different.

    I bet we both know a Jason. But if I described the Jason I know you would probably see the Jason you know is different.

    Gina if you think the LDS believe in the the same god and jesus as we do you do not understand the LDS religion. Even my LDS friends and family agree that we have different God and Jesus. They just think they are right and I am wrong. Even the president of the LDS church said they have a different god then other Christian churches. I will look for the quote.
     
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    Lets start with this.

    As a Mormon I was taught that God has a body of flesh and bone. He is NOT omnipresent. In fact he is a man just like us. He is only more advanced in his development. He is learning every day so he is not omnisent or perfict.

    Gina is this the same God as yours.
     
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    LDS to Christian...same here.
    I believed in the exact same Jesus I believe in now, but I didn't know the fullness of who he was and what he did.

    I don't understand how you could have been LDS and believed in a "different" Jesus. Please explain that.

    I'm betting it was the same one, but you didn't understand the full story of who he was and the power behind that name.
     
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    When I was LDS I believed

    Jesus was NOT God.
    Jesus was my literal brother.
    Jesus was the brother of Lucifer.
    Jesus was not eternal.
    Jesus was a created being.


    How many differences does there have to be before we agree that it was just a different person with the same name.
     
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    Same person, same name, but misrepresented. Why would you say it's a different person? They are speaking about Jesus Christ, the same one of the Bible. They may be lying about him, but it's the exact same person.
     
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    If every atribute is different it is not the same person.

    I believe in a Jesus that is an eternal creature with out begining.

    They believe in a Jesus who was born from a mother and father god. A created being.

    How can they be the same. Let me put it this way. The jesus that I believed in as a Mormon does not exist.
     
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    Gordon B. Hinckley says

    In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints "do not believe in the traditional Christ. No, I don't. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fulness of Times.
    He together with His Father, appeared to the boy Joseph smith in the year 1820, and when Joseph left the grove that day, he knew more of the nature of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages." (Deseret News, Church News section, Salt Lake City, Utah, week ending June 20, 1998, p. 7)

    Even they acnolage that their jesus is not our Jesus.
     
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    Matthew 24:24
    For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
     
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    Gina L----do you know what Galatians 1: 6-8 says?? Sister---you are dangerously close to heresy and its not us that will have to prove "beyond a doubt" what we're saying---but its you!

    Bro. David
     
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    Sorry Gina,
    But they are right. The Mormons do not worship the same God as we do. Either God is God as he is revealed through the Bible, or the god we are being taught by the false teacher is no god at all. There is no middle ground.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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    Gina,

    There are some aspects of God that are essetnial to the faith. For if they are not true then our faith is false as well.

    1. Jesus christ is deity. He was not created. There is no room for difference in this. If he were to be truly diffrent than that then our faith is forever lost.

    2. Jesus Christ was born of a virgin.

    3. Jesus Christ is one being in the trinity of one God.

    4. Jesus Christ created all things and we can never be like him as his creation.

    5. There are no other Gods any where that he should compete with.

    6. Jesus Christ being God and not a creation is not brother to Lucifer, me or you.

    7. Jesus Christ willing walked to the cross, bore our sin and shame, suffered our spiritual death by being forsaken from the Father, gave up his own spirit on the cross, was burried and rose again.

    Anything else is another gospel and another God. For if it is not then our faith is destroyed.
     
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    without sounding heretical... I understand what Gina is saying..

    It is the same Jesus that walked the Earth, born to Mary and Joseph, etc.
    She is just saying they don't have the correct version of him.

    I think everyone is agreeing, but in a different way.
     
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    Yes--we all agree to disagree with Gina. The LDS jesus is NOT the same Jesus that walked the Earth---he is NOT the same Jesus that was born to Mary and Joseph---the LDS jesus is a cleaverly cloaked anti-christ!! The Jesus of Scripture is Holy God in flesh!!!! What Gina is declaring is nothing less than heresy!

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    I agree 100% with what you are saying,
    But I think Gina is looking at it from the historical perspective.

    The LDS has taken the true Jesus, and twisted the facts about him, so now the Jesus they worship is nothing like the one we worship.
     
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    A twisted Jesus---as Paul told the Galatians---a "perverted" Jesus---is not Jesus at all---a twisted Jesus---a perverted gospel is anti-christ and is heresy to preach/teach that it is the true Jesus "only different"

    The only way to look at it from the historical perspective is through the "lense" of Scripture----Jesus Christ was "that Holy thing" born of virgin Mary---He was not a product of Joseph/Mary---neither is he the product of sexual relations between god and Mary---Jesus is God in Flesh among us and in us!!
     
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    Thank you Tim. You are accurate in how I'm viewing this. They are speaking of the same person...the Son born to Mary.

    In my mind, it is worse to take Jesus and try to change the truth of his nature. That's not just making something up, that's taking the holy and profaning it.

    But...it is the same person.

    Now, I hadn't intended this to turn into an LDS discussion. The majority of times the phrase "not the same God" is used on this board, it is us using it against each other, and it is provoked because of some type of doctrinal difference between us.

    I'd like that to be the focus of this discussion.

    I'd like those that use this term to honestly think about what they are saying, and if they really mean it, and what it really means to say that.
     
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    DeeJay, what Hinckly said fits the context of 2 Cor. 11: 4 [FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

    He was not speaking of the person of Jesus when he (Hinckly) made that statement. He was speaking of the nature of Christ...and referring to Joseph Smith.
    The word Christ is sometimes used interchangeably with Jesus in the context of "one who brings us salvation."

    In that context, they do indeed worship "a different Jesus", but that is extremely poor phraseology that they rarely use themselves, as they still refer to the Jesus Christ in reference to the person who walked the earth.

    But if you ask any LDS person "Who is Jesus Christ", they will NOT think you're referring to Joseph Smith, nor will they say that Joseph Smith was Jesus Christ. They may, if knowledgable of their religion and pressed, admit they believe Joseph Smith was a savior. But in no way do they believe Jesus Christ of the Bible is the same as Joseph Smith. The Jesus Christ referenced in the KJV which Mormons use and the name Jesus Christ, when they use it, refer to...Jesus Christ who walked this earth.


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    The J.W.'s deny that he arose from the dead, thus he is not the same Jesus that appeared to Paul from their perspective.
    Most world religions, like Islam, consider Christ as only a good man, perhaps a prophet at the very most. Denying his divinity is of the utmost heresy. Can just a good man save? NO! This Jesus was born physically like any other person, not miraculously. This is not the same Jesus. If even the historical facts of this man's birth and death are conflicting how can he be the same person? They are worshiping an imposter; a demon-inspired one.
    Many people today, who claim to be Christians (but are not), say that Christ was only a good man. They worship another god.
    If what your view of Christ is true than the Apostle John is a liar.
    For John witnessed Christ. And John said:
    John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
    Who is telling the truth?
    DHK
     
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    Paul is saying that to shame them, not to commend them.

    peace to you:praise:
     
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