A DIrty Trick Against Obama?

==Let's not allow politics to take our minds off what is really important and lead us into idolatry or pride. The national anthem is a song, nothing more, and nobody is going to heaven or hell because of it or because of America. There are much more important things going on in this country right now than how Obama, or anyone else, stands during the national anthem. There are babies being legally slaughtered by the thousands in this country (ie...abortion) while sin is celebrated openly. This country is in serious, deep, spiritual trouble. Why do you think the weather is acting the way it is? You may say it is global warming, high pressure systems, or other such things, and you would be right. But who do you think is in control of those things? God! God was and is a God of judgment. A preacher one said, and I forgot who, that if God does not judge American He would have to apologize to Sodom.

So, I am not really concerned how Obama stands during the national anthem. I am more concerned that he promotes murder and sin.

Of course I have not even touched the debt, taxes, big government, or any of our other serious problems. We need a president in '08 who has good and Godly ideas. Someone who is serious about getting this country on the right path. We are not going to get that by worrying about someone's posture.

==So you judge people by their patriotism and not by the Word of God?

Btw, just so you know, I stand during the national anthem and all of that. I am only pointing out that we must keep our priorities in line.

 

Guess Obama has more in common with our founding fathers than I thought....they didn't stand for a national anthem or recite a pledge either.

When the Pledge is being recited, I don't say it either for religious reasons. I recited the Apostle's Creed to myself.

Martin, I think your posts were right on the mark. :thumbs:

 

Personally, while watching the video, I was more put off by the person "singing" the anthem than by Obama or anyone else.

Why can't people sing it as written? I ,too, like to sing along, but there's no way I could have with this woman singing. She was way off the music from the band.

Now, I was always taught to stand, face the flag, and place my hand over my heart (and remove my cap, if wearing one). I don't know what others were taught, but I do know that a good portion of people do not place their hand on their heart. I would expect people, if they are able, to stand out of respect.

At a sporting event, you'll be hard-pressed to even find people in the concourse who will stop walking during the anthem, let alone stop, stand at attention, and do all the rest. Do I wish they would? Yes. Do I not trust them because of it? Certainly not.

 

I have emailed my state rep before on this subject. He said all are sworn in at once, then later IF they prefer, they can do it unofficially on their own choice of books of faith for the photo ops. They are officially sworn in all together with a Bible as the book at the ceremony.
BTW, Obama is a Church of Christ Christian. As far as trusting him, how he was raised or schooled should have no bearing on electing him, elect or don't on his issues. Remember your past... did it change from then to present? Jesus chose to save you in spite of your past. This isn't a christian country, and we aren't electing a pastor. I am Republican, so I won't get to have my say on any of the dems until the main election. Another BTW, I have never crossed my heart during the anthem, only face the flag and take off my hat if I have one on.

 

I was at a ball game tonight and purposely watched the people during the anthem. (Hopefully not obviously.) Many stood just like Barak Obama did.

 

No, he is not. He is a member of the United Church of Christ.

 

Maybe it's because I grew up in a military family, but I always stand, remove my hat if I have one on, and stand at attention for the national anthem. My dad would have tolerated no less, and it has stuck with me. My husband and I teach our children to show the same respect. It may not be a religious issue, but it is a serious respect issue...and if the man wants to be a candidate for the President of this country, he darned sure ought to be showing some respect during our national anthem! :BangHead:

 

Standing as he was Barack Obama was showing respect during the national anthem of these United States.

 

But none of the four politicians in the video clip is "standing to attention". The furore seems to be not about whether he was standing to attention, but the fact that he did not have his hand on his heart.

 

The furore is that he is a democrat running for the president of the United States. Therefore, many Christian's here feel it is important to find any way possible to criticize him for anything they can find to do so. Now if he were a republican this thread would not even exist.

 

No, if he was a Republican running for President, he would have enough smarts to know to put his hand on his heart during the national anthem...

It doesn't take a lot of brains to know if you don't you will be eaten alive in the campaign...

Now that said, let's all go find pictures of republicans that don't!! :laugh:

(BTW, your post was tooo easy for a comeback like this. I know republicans can be idiots too!!!) Can anyone say Pat or Rudy?

 

NOW how did that happen.. I double posted... hmmm... the board must have liked my post so much, they put it up 2 times!!! I didn't think I clicked post twice..

 

Tim, you're right. While I may stand at what some call "attention" with my hand over my heart during the national anthem, others may not. This is what I do and it seems clear to me that Obama's stance to me was less than respectful.

I have always been an 'independent' but, vote for the candidate I feel is best qualified and most likely to do a good job in the office they are running for. I don't vote for a candidate because they are the most likely to win. That's is very irresponsible and shallow - I know a few who vote that way....

I don't trust Sen. Obama not because of his stance during the video but, simply because he is still part of a radical movement that is divisive and well out of line with what a presidential candidate should be recognized with. His affiliation with the United Church of Christ is well outside what most would consider 'mainstream' or traditional. Here's a link to information on that:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Church_of_Christ#Obama.27s_membership_at_Trinity_UCC.2C_Chicago

Politicians will always be just that. There are those who's influence is by their purpose of doing what is needed for their constiuents and those who's influence is clearly "what's in it for me" as so many are lusting for power and not to pursue what is right and just. This drive for 'power' is what beings about corruption and we certainly have plenty of that in both major political parties! There are some who are not corrupted by power or the pursuit of it but, they are in the minority of numbers in both parties. Mr. Obama is not part of this minority.

As for the video in question of this thread, there may have actually been another flag visible behind the camera as those in the main frame of the video seemed to all be looking in the same general direction. When they pan to the right a couple of the others are looking at the large back-drop flag. So, there is certainly some room for more than meets the eye.

This is the last of my comments on this story as it degraded into a person attack very early on and that was not the intent of the original post. Maybe I brought it upon myself and I considered that. All I will say is that America deserves what they get out of this coming election and I don't see it as being any improvement at all in the past second term of Mr. Bush. His first term seemed to go very well. his second has been a disaster in my opinion. But, God will either bless our nation of turn His back and allow us to get what we deserve. We shall see....
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I really don't understand why people are piling on Obama. He has no chance against Hillary Clinton for the Democratic Party nomination.

 

And you can really trust me because I stand, take my hat off, and sing along.

You sound almost surprised that a Democrap would show contempt for the flag.

 

Correct.

Otherwise he'd be just another ultra leftist liberal.

You are correct also when you say this thread would not exist if he had been a Republican. A Republican would have been smart enough and patriotic enough to salute when he should.

 

He's running for VP.

 

How did Obama show disrespect? I have always done the same thing during the national anthem - stood straight with my arms hanging down with my hands folded in front of men and my mouth shut. Have I been derespecting the flag for 50 years?

Yes, carpro, we all know that Republicans are pure as the wind driven snow.

 

Let me ask you a question no one seems to want to answer. When you are watching a baseball game on your television (assuming you do), do you stand to attention during the national anthem?