A Few Sabbath Questions

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  1. vooks

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    So Sabbath was for 'mankind' that is all men?

    1. Why did God punish Israel sending them into captivity for breaking sabbath yet He never punished Gentiles who never kept it in the first place?

    2. How could sabbath be a sign between Israel and Jehovah if all men were expected to keep it as per Exodus 31:17?

    3. How comes all recorded judgements against Gentiles by God's prophets never mention breaking sabbath?

    4. Ephesians 2:12 (KJV)" ...being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world..."
    How comes Gentiles are 'aliens' to the covenant signified by sign they were supposed to keep?
    5. How comes sabbath keeping was ONLY required for strangers WITHIN the gates and not without?-Exodus 20:10
     
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    How come SDA's don't answer these questions?:D
     
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    How instructive that you do not quote Is 66:23 or Is 56:1-8 or Mark 2:27 ALL of which point to the Sabbath for MANKIND - for Gentiles specifically.

    IS this because "Bible avoidance" on the subject that you setup for discussion is your only solution??

    Is 56 -
    Thus says the Lord,
    “Preserve justice and do righteousness,
    For My salvation is about to come
    And My righteousness to be revealed.
    2 “How blessed is the man who does this,
    And the son of man who takes hold of it;
    Who keeps from profaning the sabbath,
    And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”
    3 Let not the foreigner who has joined himself to the Lord say,
    “The Lord will surely separate me from His people.”
    Nor let the eunuch say, “Behold, I am a dry tree.” 4 For thus says the Lord,
    “To the eunuchs who keep My sabbaths,
    And choose what pleases Me,
    And hold fast My covenant,
    5 To them I will give in My house and within My walls a memorial,
    And a name better than that of sons and daughters;
    I will give them an everlasting name which will not be cut off.

    6 “Also the foreigners who join themselves to the Lord,
    To minister to Him, and to love the name of the Lord,
    To be His servants, every one who keeps from profaning The Sabbath
    And holds fast My covenant;
    7 Even those I will bring to My holy mountain
    And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
    Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be acceptable on My altar;
    For My house will be called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”
    8 The Lord God, who gathers the dispersed of Israel, declares,
    Yet others I will gather to them, to those already gathered.”


    Is 66
    “For just as the new heavens and the new earth
    Which I make will endure before Me,” declares the Lord,
    “So your offspring and your name will endure.
    23 “And it shall be from new moon to new moon
    And from Sabbath to Sabbath,
    All mankind will come to bow down before Me,” says the Lord.

    Mark 2:27
    27 Jesus said to them, “The Sabbath was made for mankind, and not mankind for the Sabbath.
     
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    Notice how this "Sabbath for mankind" Bible detail is accepted by even the pro-Sunday scholars.

     
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    Notice how D.L. Moody is one of those pro-Sunday scholars accepting the Sabbath made "for mankind".

     
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    notice how God condemns the idea of toying with God's Ten Commandments -- the WORD of God --

     
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    "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1Cor 7:19

    "do we then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! - in fact we ESTABLISH the Law of God" Rom 3:31

    "sin IS transgression of the Law" - 1 John 3:4

    Gal 3, Romans 3 -- ALL the world condemned under "SIN" as defined by -the LAW of God -- gentiles are included.
     
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    Did any of your posts come even close to answering just the first question posted?
    Not even remotely close.
     
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    For those who actually read the Bible texts and other reference EVEN pro-Sunday sources admit the fact!

    So "not just SDAs" admit to the glaringly obvious Bible facts showing the Sabbath for ALL mankind and specifically gentiles not just "ALL mankind"... as we all know by now.
     
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    For all your dithering and dancing around the question, you still have managed to avoid even the first of his questions:
    Care to provide an honest answer this time?
     
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    Cultists collective IQ never exceeds their leader's.
    So you won't find answers to any of these questions any time soon. Let them wallow in their own mire
     
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    Bob Ryan simply puts up the usual SDA cut and paste hooping that volume will provide cover for the lack of an answer.

    Is there some sort of SDA class that teaches cut and paste, bolding underlining, italization, multiple font,multiple color, multiple letter size posting to distract from actual content?

    I see also that the SDA use of the word "salient" has fallen out of favor.
     
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    Let's try and get into an Adventist's logic
    1. YHWH introduces sabbath right after creation ( I can't find sabbath in Genesis but let's go along with them)
    2. Mankind departs from sabbath keeping so much that in Exodus Israel is asked to REMEMBER the sabbath.
    3. Going forward, ONLY Israel, a tiny group in the entire universe keeps sabbath, and they don't do a good job as Ezekiel reminds us; they profaned God's sabbaths
    4. The tiny group is severely punished for breaking sabbath by among others sending them into captivity for 70 years, yet all the while, they were the only group to ATTEMPT to keep it. Others wallowed in ignorance
    5. From Isaiah 56 and 66, we are told that Gentiles WILL keep the sabbath. This is still futuristic, and note, there is no indicting Gentiles for breaking sabbath anywhere up to this time.

    Question is;
    1. Why would God reveal such a significant 'moral' law long forgotten by humanity to just a tiny fraction of humanity and he never requires them to evangelize it abroad?
    2. WHEN do the Gentiles like the Jews get to hear 'REMEMBER the Sabbath'? Is it at the cross, Pentecost or millennium if at all such literal bliss exists?
     
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    A few more questions for Sabbatarians, especially SDAs

    You claim;
    1Kings 9:3 (KJV)
    And the Lord said unto him, I have heard thy prayer and thy supplication, that thou hast made before me: I have hallowed this house, which thou hast built, to put my name there for ever; and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually


    1. Will the temple endure forever because God hallowed it? Not to mention the temple vessels as well- Exodus 40:9

    2.Shall circumcision endure forever seeing it is also 'everlasting'?
    Genesis 17:13 (KJV)
    He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant
     
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    The UNSTABLE and UNLEARNED insist that the LAW means Ten Commndments
    If the LAW always means the Ten Commandments, how comes
    (A) Numbers is called the Law in Matt 12:5.
    Matthew 12:5 (KJV)
    Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?


    (B) Psalms is called the Law
    John 10:34 (KJV)
    Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?


    (C) the Prophets are called the Law
    1 Corinthians 14:21 (KJV)
    In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.


    (D) the Ten Commandments are also called the Law?
    Romans 7:7 (KJV)
    What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet
     
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    In the light of #15 above, We have seen the Law means
    1. Numbers
    2. Psalms
    3. Prophets
    4. The Ten Commandments

    Lets now turn to Matthew
    Matthew 5:17-18 (KJV)
    Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled


    On what basis can an Adventist flagrantly equate the Law mentioned in these verses is a strict and exclusive reference to the Ten Commandments and then insist they shall never pass hence they are eternal?
     
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    1. open the Bible.
    2. read.

    The question of what gentiles are supposed to be doing - both OT and NT is "in the text" you are avoiding.

    The "blind faith" notion that those Bible texts are all "SDA" is dark ages thinking.

    The "blind faith" notion that the D.L. Moody quote on page is just another SDA talking - is dark ages thinking.

    The "blind faith" notion that the "Baptist Confession of Faith" quote on page one - is yet another SDA source - is dark ages thinking.

    If the baptist answer to history and Bible fact is to resort to dark ages name-calling and revisionism - then there will come a day when the SDA denomination will have out grown even the largest shrinking Baptist denomination. That is because Christian cannot thrive in the long run - on that dark ages thinking. Even the RCC is learning that lesson.

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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    The OP is:
    You can't answer his questions and this post is good evidence of it.

    You obfuscate, avoid, detour, and beat around the bush.
    But you don't answer the questions. Why? You can't.
    Your answers have nothing to do with these questions asked.

    What does referring to D.L. Moody have to do with any of this? Nothing!
    What does Baptist history have to with any of these questions? Nothing!
    Do you refer to Moody and history because of your inability to use the Bible as it applies to you personally?
    Or as the Bible applies to the questions asked of you?

    Your failure and inability to answer to OP is evident to all who read this thread.
     
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    God never punished gentiles / heathen / pagans for breaking his Laws : BIGGEST NONSENSICAL UNTRUTH imaginable!

    If gentiles / heathen / pagans were not punished for breaking God's Laws they would have been immortals and immune to sickness or whatever malady and would have been models in morals and ethics, indeed the envy of the angels if Satan was an angel.

    With this I cannot agree more:
    Quoting BobRyan<<<Ephesians 2:12 (KJV)" ...being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world..."
    How comes Gentiles are 'aliens' to the covenant ... ?>>>


    BECAUSE THAT IS GOD'S PUNISHMENT FOR THEM!

    Can there be a worse punishment? It only is the punishment Adam and Eve got for their, DISOBEDIENCE TO GOD'S LAW! ---for nothing else. Because this, " ...being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world..." simply means "the wages of SIN : DEATH"

     
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    You are extremely silly and you do a bad job at hiding it.
    We have in the prophets innumerable judgements against Gentile kingdoms none of which touches on sabbath.

    If God's punishment to Gentiles is by making them aliens, that would suggest Israel themselves DESERVED the covenants. Do you think Israel deserved the covenant BETTER than any nation around them? Utter stupidity.
     

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