A fundamental premise of the big lie is extraterrestrial aliens exist apart from God

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  1. Alfred Persson.

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    What is the Strong Delusion? Extraterrestrial Designers seeded belief in God

    And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. (2Th 2:11-12 NKJ)

    What precisely will the strong delusion lie propose? That Extraterrestrial scientists intelligently designed life on this planet and seeded belief in God. They will cite the explosion of life in the Cambrian fossils as their doing. Ancient history and holy books which record their visitations and technology are cited to "prove" they gave us God and belief in the human soul. Archaeological sites like Puma Punku seem to confirm past visitations. Added to this a verifiable UFO landing and universal "contactee phenomena" breaking out among even the most skeptical and you have the makings of a Great Falling Away from belief in God.

    The argument for extraterrestrials is a false dilemma, Although God's angels use technology ( "The Spaceships of the Prophet Ezekiel",J.F. Blumrich), it does not follow their message was not from God precisely as the Bible says it is, BECAUSE Scripture reveals they use technology, it was we who failed to interpret the data correctly.

    The fundamental premise of the big lie is extraterrestrial aliens exist apart from God---They do not.

    For more on angels, their technology and the nature of reality itself, their Teleios and our Meros:

    http://forums.carm.org/vbb/showthre...om-the-kingdoms-of-Babylon&p=1168031#poststop
    http://forums.carm.org/vbb/showthre...om-the-kingdoms-of-Babylon&p=1149451#poststop
    http://forums.carm.org/vbb/showthre...om-the-kingdoms-of-Babylon&p=1169646#poststop


    The following summarizes the rapid fire events that will rapidly come to pass once the final eschatological week has begun.

    A worldwide falling away from traditional beliefs in Deity must come first, so the "man of sin" can rise up in the Temple of God, which is the Church.


    3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. (2Th 2:3-4 NKJ)


    9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,

    The arrival of the "Designers" will be according to energy of Satan, with all power, signs and wonders that are "lying" because they powerfully convince all to believe the lie, not because they aren't real.


    10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
    11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,
    12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. (2Th 2:10-12 NKJ)


    Because men chose not to believe God's Word of Truth the Bible, He stops restraining the fallen angels from appearing once again in our sphere of existence, thus "sending" us Satan's hybrid human/angel seed who would rise and strike Christ in the heel (Gen 3:15). This is that Antichrist scripture predicted would come (1 Jn 2:18ff; 4:3ff; 2 Jo 1:7), an apostate Christian who betrays Christ like Judas, hence is called the "son of destruction" (2 Th 2:3; Jo 17:12).


    He will ride like God upon the wing of an abomination, a Satanically energized craft desolating all who would oppose him (Da 9:27) by fire from heaven (Re 13:13), and men will say "who can make war against him" (Re 13:4).


    27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate." (Dan 9:27 NKJ) (see Keil, C. F., & Delitzsch, F. (2002). Commentary on the Old Testament. (Da 9:27). Peabody, MA: Hendrickson.


    The hybid seed rose up as a Saviour the first part of the week, and makes a covenant with the world's religions, to bring about paradise on earth together with them.

    27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. (Dan 9:27 NKJ)


    All the world's religions agree to follow him, they are called here "Mystery Babylon" or "Babylon the Great" because similar world wide rebellion first appeared in ancient Babylon (Gen 11:9), This is what is meant by "Babylon is fallen, is fallen, and has become a dwelling place of demons." All the worlds religions forsake their former beliefs, and practice spiritism, behaving as contactees in communion with demons.


    Then the True God takes vengeance, putting it into the heart of world's rulers to destroy the now obsolete religions:


    16 "And the ten horns which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire.
    17 "For God has put it into their hearts to fulfill His purpose, to be of one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled. (Rev 17:16-17 NKJ)


    All are ordered to accept the Mark of the beast. Hence the wilderness of Babylon no longer shields the Daughter of Zion, the Elect of God from harm (Re 12:1-6) so she is ordered to come out:

    16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads,
    17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. (Rev 13:16-17 NKJ)

    4 And I heard another voice from heaven saying, "Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.
    5 "For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.
    (Rev 18:4-5 NKJ)

    For a time it is granted the power of God's people be smashed to bits, but then the end shall come:

    7 Then I heard the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand to heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever, that it shall be for a time, times, and half a time; and when the power of the holy people has been completely shattered, all these things shall be finished. (Dan 12:7 NKJ)


    11 "And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."
    12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
    13 Then I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, "Write:`Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.'" "Yes," says the Spirit, "that they may rest from their labors, and their works follow them."
    14 Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and on the cloud sat One like the Son of Man, having on His head a golden crown, and in His hand a sharp sickle.
    15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to Him who sat on the cloud, "Thrust in Your sickle and reap, for the time has come for You to reap, for the harvest of the earth is ripe."
    16 So He who sat on the cloud thrust in His sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped.
    (Rev 14:11-16 NKJ)
     
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    These raptured meet their LORD in the air lest they become collateral damage, and the dead in Christ rise up just before them:

    15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
    16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
    17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
    18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
    (1Th 4:15-18 NKJ)


    51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed--
    52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. (1Co 15:51-52 NKJ)

    24 "But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light;
    25 "the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.
    26 "Then they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
    27 "And then He will send His angels, and gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven. (Mar 13:24-27 NKJ)

    This is that first resurrection, they will reign with Christ during His thousand-year kingdom on earth:


    4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
    5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
    6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years. (Rev 20:4-6 NKJ)



    BUT BEFORE this, the end of the week shall come:

    17 Then another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
    18 And another angel came out from the altar, who had power over fire, and he cried with a loud cry to him who had the sharp sickle, saying, "Thrust in your sharp sickle and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth, for her grapes are fully ripe."
    19 So the angel thrust his sickle into the earth and gathered the vine of the earth, and threw it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
    20 And the winepress was trampled outside the city, and blood came out of the winepress, up to the horses' bridles, for one thousand six hundred furlongs. (Rev 14:17-1 NKJ)


    Billions survive the coming of Christ, and these are tested during the thousand year reign. Age and disease will be gone, but any who begin sinning, even if healthy as a child, will die:

    20 "No more shall an infant from there live but a few days, Nor an old man who has not fulfilled his days; For the child shall die one hundred years old, But the sinner being one hundred years old shall be accursed.
    21 They shall build houses and inhabit them; They shall plant vineyards and eat their fruit.
    22 They shall not build and another inhabit; They shall not plant and another eat; For as the days of a tree, so shall be the days of My people, And My elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
    23 They shall not labor in vain, Nor bring forth children for trouble; For they shall be the descendants of the blessed of the LORD, And their offspring with them.
    24 "It shall come to pass That before they call, I will answer; And while they are still speaking, I will hear.
    25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, The lion shall eat straw like the ox, And dust shall be the serpent's food. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain," Says the LORD. (Isa 65:20-25 NKJ)

    At the end of the thousand years there will be many yet unsaved, Satan will once again lead them in rebellion against God. After this is crushed, Judgment Day for all will occur, and any not found in the Lamb's book of life, suffer the death from which there is no resurrection.

    7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison
    8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea.
    9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.
    10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
    11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them.
    12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.
    13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.
    14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
    15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

    (Rev 20:7-1 NKJ)



    Then New Jerusalem descends---God's dwells with man on earth:

    2 Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
    3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God.
    4 "And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away."
    5 Then He who sat on the throne said, "Behold, I make all things new." And He said to me, "Write, for these words are true and faithful." (Rev 21:2-5 NKJ)


    God willing, I hope to expound these things fully at my own site, address yet unknown, its domain name will be:

    strong-delusion.com


    Please share this with others.

    20 He who testifies to these things says, "Surely I am coming quickly." Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus!
    21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen. (Rev 22:20-21 NKJ)



    Until I set up my site you can find more on angels and their Telios in contrast to our MEROS, here:

    http://forums.carm.org/vbb/showthre...v-12-14-is-power-from-the-kingdoms-of-Babylon
     
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    sniff, sniff...kinda familiar...something from under a bridge...
     
  4. Iconoclast

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    Is this a joke.....what are you talking about?:tear:
     
  5. David Lamb

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    Such a belief is certainly a delusion, but I wonder what your scriptural basis is for saying it is the "strong delusion"mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2.
     
  6. InTheLight

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    I'm having trouble making the leap from this:

    He will ride like God upon the wing of an abomination,

    to this:

    a Satanically energized craft desolating all who would oppose him
     
  7. Alive in Christ

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    To the OP...

    Friend, its not wise to smoke that stuff.

    And watch out for the brown acid.


    :wavey:
     
  8. Thinkingstuff

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    Angels are really ET? Funny!
     
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    Beam me up Scotty.
     
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    I am of the opinion that ET's could exist somewhere in the vastness of space. I do not believe however the human race is the result of ET's "seeding the neighborhood" as some might suggest.

    On the other hand I do believe that Unidentified Flying Objects (UFO's) are real. I witnessed such many years ago but do not believe they are visitors from another dimension, or other planets for that matter. Radar simply doesn't bounce off a mirage.

    I do consider these UFO's as part of the Great Deception perpetrated by Satan. An attempt to deceive the masses. Satan has awesome power.

    Otherwise, God said it..., and BANG!!! It happened.
     
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    Are you saying that UFO's are real and physical objects that were built by Satan?
     
  12. Alcott

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    Apart from God, there is nothing made that was made-- or so says scripture. Yes, UFO's exist. Not every flying object is yet identified, which is what the abbreviation means.

    But getting to the meat here, beliefs in alien UFO's and extraterrestrials has become very cultish. Ancient gods, angels/demigods, and means of transport have been reinterpreted as alien astronauts and aircraft and space ships. And the claim seems to be always made that they will return some day, as "almost all" ancient myths say about their gods. I haven't enumerated, but I doubt if almost all ancient myths say that. And indeed, this belief is so strong that even when shown some of their "evidence" are hoaxes-- such as crop circles, easily demonstrated how they can suddenly be there overnight-- they won't budge in their beliefs, including about proven hoaxes. I think this is religion in its clear definition(s). And I'm glad it was only a short time that our government funded SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence)-- that is public funds being spent to contact one or more beings not proven rationally to exist. If public funds can't fund prayer or Bible study, it should be more clear they cannot fund that.
     
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    So, UFO's exist.
    They are physical objects.
    God made them.

    Is that what you said?
     
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    I have also seen these objects on several occasions, very disturbing.

    I believe they are spiritual. They are real and not. Just as angels in the OT could manifest themselves as men and eat food etc... these objects are real and can appear on radar or leave impressions in the ground. But at the same time they can break all known physical laws.

    I do believe they are part of a deception. They very well could be preparing men's minds for the rapture. When many thousands or millions of people suddenly disappear, there will be a need for an explanation. An unsaved world could easily believe the UFOs took the people away.

    A very interesting article on UFOs and demons appears here.

    http://www.boudillion.com/lam/lam.htm
     
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    Yes. They are mostly meteors; some may be gases which shine or reflect light. Some may be espionage crafts, the materials of which God made and people utilized. And quite often they are our own [Americans'] secret projects. Have you looked at sectional charts in comparison to where UFO's are most reported and noticed that so many of them are near our military installations or near MOA's (Military Operations Areas)? I was near one of those, close to Cleburne, TX, once, and I suddenly saw some aircraft speed in front at low alitutde. I didn't have even a second to see and identify it, but it was clearly a military craft-- likely a Tomcat. If I were of the ET mind, I might have perceived it as a cigar-shaped alien craft going 5000 mph. Some of them give such descriptions.
     
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    I have thought this for years. There's a reason for all the UFO mania. I believe God will use it for His own purposes. It has never ceased to amaze me the weird things people will actually believe; anything but the truth.
     
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    Alcott, I agree most UFOs are simply natural objects that people mistake for alien craft. But I myself have seen these objects several times up close and unmistakable. I grew up around military bases as my father was an aircraft radar technician, so I am pretty good at discerning aircraft.

    The objects I observed performed actions that nothing we have can do. I once saw a saucer shaped object no more than 500 feet away from me. It hovered motionless and without sound for several minutes. I was not alone, there was another person with me. This object then shot off at the most incredible speed I have ever witnessed. They show on the Star Wars movies a spaceship accelerating so fast it appears to stretch like taffy, well, that is exactly what this object did. I would estimate it went from zero to well over five thousand miles per hour instantly. I happened to be on the beach when this happened and this craft shot over the horizon. I have witnessed many space shots from the Atlas rockets back in the 60's to the Space Shuttle flights. This object moved far faster than they do.

    I don't usually like to tell these experiences because it tends to hurt a person's credibility. But I saw what I saw and I know they were no man-made objects.
     
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    One aspect which adds so much to the descriptions is saying the object is performing as "nothing we have can do." I will maintain that you don't know what we have and what it can do. I do know there exist 'saucer shaped' craft, and some (maybe all) of them are rotorcraft-- essentially helicopters with the blade under the body of the craft. To my knowledge [which, like yours, is far from anything close to complete on this], they have been trying for decades to make more stable craft that operate this way, but none are particularly useful. I think we will agree that such craft exist.

    Alright now, are you being hyperbolic, or do you honestly believe whatever you witnessed have speeds "incredible?" And you estimate '5000 miles per hour'-- which is 1.39 miles per second, which is more than 733 feet per one-tenth of a second. Again, are you stating hyperbole, or do you really claim you can perceive anything at all which is traveling at such speed? But for some reason, 5000 mph (or 'more than...") is often the speed these 'witnesses' claim. Obviously for this ridiculous 'observing' to have any credibility, such an object is going to have to be caught on high speed film or tape (if there is that high a speed) and dissected with more than one point of reference.

    But I'm sure you will still say it 'cannot be anything WE have' and still claim to have a cinch on its speed.

    I was a little behind, wasn't I?
     
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    Well, this was back in 1973, October 24, 1973 to be exact, you don't forget something like this. As I said, I grew up around military bases, I lived at Eglin AFB, Tyndall AFB, and Jacksonville NAS. I have seen aircraft all my life. I even saw captured V1 rockets (buzz bombs) from WWII they had at Eglin painted orange they flew as drones. They are loud. I have seen dozens of launches for Cape Kennedy. I was an airplane buff as a boy, I used to could identify nearly any plane in the sky and tell you many details about them, forgot most of that now.

    Trust me, if you saw what I saw you would know they were not man-made. These were not far away lights in the sky, they were up close and I could see much detail.

    Well, that is just an estimate, but that is my guess. I was at the ocean, this object shot eastward over the horizon, so I had an unhampered view of it.
    Again, you would have to have seen this object for yourself, you cannot really describe them to people. They are interesting and terrifying at the same time. I got a very "creepy" feeling, I sensed it was evil. I know that sounds stupid, but that is what I felt. It troubled me for quite some time.

    I'll tell you this, I have seen jets travelling at nearly 500 MPH at this treetop altitude, this object easily moved ten times faster, if not more.

    Edit- Oh, and when it shot off it produced no sonic-boom which I have heard many times. In fact, it made no noise whatsoever.
     
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    Nikola Tesla made many startling discoveries during his lifetime and for sure, this guy was ahead of his time. Are you aware the MRI is a result of his genius? All the MRI is, is a big magnet that shoots it's "field" through the body and leaves an image on the other side.

    Tesla makes many references to free energy and travel based on his discoveries of harnessing the magnetic fields already in place around the world. He also predicted this energy would never be relied upon as there is no money to be made by those in the oil business and/or those generating electricity.

    Worth reading up on this guy.

    Regarding Satan and UFO's, yes, I believe it. As one poster stated there is a Cult following to this phenomenon. No room for God in their lives as they wait for contact by the ET's who will solve all of Earth's problems. Yeah, right!

    I listened to a preacher not long ago on the radio that at the time of the rapture those left behind will be told that UFO's came and took all us pesky believers away. That we would no longer be in the way of the more enlightened crowd.

    While in the military years ago we could all have faced Courts Martial for even speaking about UFO's. Our government takes them very seriously.
     

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