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Discussion in '2005 Archive' started by Joseph_Botwinick, Nov 28, 2005.
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But, Joe, if we're no better than Saddam Hussein's Iraq (judging from your comments on another current thread in this forum), why is this noteworthy?
Please actually go back and read what I said. I did not say we were no better than Saddam's Iraq. I did say that it is because of the grace of God that we are different, not because we are necessarily more righteous than Saddam. Please don't misrepresent my remarks...you are better than that.
Then again, on the other hand, there is that whole slaughter of the unborn thing for the past 3-4 decades or so. We must be better since nobody can hear their screams. Even if our nation was no better than Iraq, this is news because it is still horrible, and shows why Saddam was such a bad person.
Of course, we do need to consider the source. This is the same Allawi who fed us the "faulty" intel that led us into Iraq, all the while working in cahoots with Iran.
Of course, we do need to consider the source. This is the same Allawi who fed us the "faulty" intel that led us into Iraq, all the while working in cahoots with Iran. </font>[/QUOTE]I might be wrong, but I thought that was Chalabi who gave us the intel.
I thought it was this "Curveball" fella that gave us the intel.
I certainly didn't mean to misstate your remarks. I think you do know me better than that. I appreciate your correcting my misunderstanding.
But this does get to a theological discussion of the difference or, if I understand your view correctly, more accurately, similarity of our condition vs. Saddam's. This is a discussion that may be outside the range of your OP, so I honor and respect your position if you'd rather not do so here, but do you accept free will at all? My view is that because we can perceive a difference between our behavior, or rather perhaps that of our leaders, and Saddam's and that because they (our leaders) choose to behave in a more civilized manner than Saddam and his ilk do, that there is a moral superiority of the values of Western civilization compared to those of a beast such as Saddam. This doesn't mean that we are not all sinners and stand condemned before a holy God. Even the fact of slavery in the West is a testament to this difference because the very condemnation of slavery is due to principles nurtured in the West and ridiculed elsewhere, that we are all creatures of God and one is not fit to be a master over another. Sure, the West, and the U.S. has not perfectly followed or respected those principles but I believe there is a moral superiority of Western civilization in the very fact that we at least have those standards to repair to. A Wilberforce here had a moral authority where he would likely have been executed as a traitor in the Sudan or elsewhere.
Stefan, you are absolutely correct, my mistake. Allawi's intel proved to be mostly correct, and it was Chalabi's intel that was faulty & he was the one secretly working for Iran, it is alleged. Thanks for correcting me.
In that case, maybe the article is correct, after all.