A heartwarming tale of abortion

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    I'm going to post some quotes, and source the indictment from where they came. I won't post details of his crimes, but I encourage you to read them, as I am sure this is not a one-time thing. People should know what happens in these places.


    In the end, Gosnell was only caught by accident, when police raided his offices to seize evidence of his illegal prescription selling. Once law enforcement agents went in, they couldn’t help noticing the disgusting conditions....​

    Instead, (in 1993)the Pennsylvania Department of Health abruptly decided, for political reasons, to stop inspecting abortion clinics at all. The politics in question were not anti-abortion, but pro. With the change of administration from Governor Casey to Governor Ridge, officials concluded that inspections would be “putting a barrier up to women” seeking abortions.
    The same thing happened at least twice more: the (PA State Dept.) department received complaints about lawsuits against Gosnell, but dismissed them as meaningless. A department
    attorney said there was no “pattern of conduct.” He never bothered to check a national
    litigation database, which would have shown that Gosnell had paid out damages to at
    least five different women whose internal organs he had punctured during abortions. Apparently, the missing piece in the “pattern” was press coverage......​

     
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    con't...

    Similar inaction occurred at the municipal level. The Philadelphia Department of
    Public Health does not regulate doctors or medical facilities; but it is supposed to protect
    the public’s health. Philadelphia health department employees regularly visited the Women’s Medical Society to retrieve blood samples for testing purposes, but never noticed, or more likely never bothered to report, that anything was amiss
    So too with the National Abortion Federation. NAF is an association of abortion
    providers that upholds the strictest health and legal standards for its members. Gosnell,
    bizarrely, applied for admission shortly after Karnamaya Mongar’s death. Despite his
    various efforts to fool her, the evaluator from NAF readily noted that records were not
    properly kept, that risks were not explained, that patients were not monitored, that
    equipment was not available, that anesthesia was misused. It was the worst abortion
    clinic she had ever inspected. Of course, she rejected Gosnell’s application. She just​
    never told anyone in authority about all the horrible, dangerous things she had seen.

    Bureaucratic inertia is not exactly news. We understand that. But we think this
    was something more. We think the reason no one acted is because the women in
    question were poor and of color, because the victims were infants without identities, and​
    because the subject was the political football of abortion.


     
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    Only in one class of cases did Gosnell exercise any real care with these dangerous
    sedatives. On those rare occasions when the patient was a white woman from the
    suburbs, Gosnell insisted that he be consulted at every step. When an employee asked​
    him why, he said it was “the way of the world.”

     
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    I wonder who's freakin' rhetoric is responsible for this. What kind of talk about life being worthless, and the one step above apes that we surely must be, and how abortion is needed to save mothers, and government shouldn't try to "legislate morality". That is, until Sarah Palin says something. I am absolutely heartbroken.

    The silence deafens.
     
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    But if we make abortion illegal, women will die!! We need to keep it legal!!

    :BangHead::BangHead::BangHead:

    Unbelievable just how deranged a person can be. Satan is enjoying this I'm sure.
     
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    Compare this to the clamor to blame the Tea Party for the Az. shootings. Within two days, people were going to try and LEGISLATE SPEECH !!!!!!! Oversight was needed, to bring "civility" back.

    Now, not one word about these murders, because abortion, the sacrament of liberals, must be protected at all costs. There will be no attempt by any liberal to tie this to a bigger picture.
     
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    How sickening. It's past time people got their heads out of the sand regarding the disgusting behavior hidden by the abortion-loving leftists, who of course, profit from the industry.
     
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    Actually, people who want to keep abortion legal have their heads some place else than sand~!..
     
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    How horrible! Thanks, Bro. Curtis, for drawing this to our attention. I'm sure there are equally horrific situations to be exposed this side of the Pond.:tear:
     
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    One more aspect....

    People on the left are so quick to call Limbaugh & Palin racists, over the slightest perceived insult, yet are silent when confronted with real racism.
     
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    This whole story has made me sick in my gut. It makes me enraged and I have trouble talking about it without hating people and being tempted to use profanity. It just makes me want to vomit.

    An acquaintance of mine on another forum had this comment to make about people who are pro-choice, but who have publicly abhorred this particular man and his actions.

    She's right. Not one single person who is pro-choice should shed a tear over these babies.
     
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    I know what you mean about the hating people. There is a part of me that wants to say a woman who dies, or suffers irreversable damage due to a botched abortion, does not deserve the title "victim".
     
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    For those who feel hatred towards women who have abortions and such, I'd like to make a few comments towards that.

    At one point in time I interviewed a number of women and some men who had their babies aborted out of fear, parental force (underage) or because it wasn't a good time for them to have a baby.

    I learned sympathy through their stories. SO many went in blind and ignorant of human development.

    One told of becoming pregnant by a youth pastor when she was a teenager. She was SO scared. A baptist girl used by this man who then told her this was what she was to do. Scared of telling her parents, scared of the man's response, just plain scared. She had it done and lived with guilt, shame, and regret for years. She later came out with her story and is a beautiful person who is now actively involved in the pro-life movement.

    Another was a couple. Both had children and they never really talked. Neither REALLY wanted it, but the idea was brought up, the appointment made, insurance covered it, and it was done. At the time I talked to them individually, neither knew I talked to the other and their feelings and thoughts were SO similar and they didn't even know the other felt that way.

    I asked everyone I talked to what would have changed their mind.

    The most common answer?

    EDUCATION.

    Most had little information on fetal development. They were told how safe and common abortion was and the fetus was referred to as a blob of tissue. They had no idea of the pain involved, both physically and spiritually. They never heard the heartbeat. They never saw a picture. Most were scared and soothed by the rhetoric of the pro-abortion people. They had a major problem and these people offered a solution and made them feel it was okay. Most started feeling the horror of it the second it was done. One actually saw the parts of the fetus, accidentally left in view, and that was her rude education into just how developed that blob of tissue was.

    For many there is no relief from that guilt. Abortion is so taboo in the Christian world that most will not admit to it and live stunted in their spiritual growth because they cannot forgive themselves and feel God can't either and when they think other Christians won't, they're often right.

    Men as well! Don't ever think this is a female problem. Men suffer just as much, even when they were for it too and later realize what was done. Or when they had no control over it because it was the woman's choice and they had no say.

    It's an easy thing to hate. All sin is, but the nasty thing on this one is that it turns to hating the person. People who rape, rob, steal, or murder people already born are usually forgiven with much more ease. Not only that, but they don't sit in church and hear vivid descriptions of their sins, but people will show graphic pictures in church of abortions and give play-by-plays on how they are performed and the victims of it, which very often DOES INCLUDE THE MOTHER AND FATHER, have to deal with reliving it right there in the one place where they should be able to find safety, love, and forgiveness.

    There's a whole segment of people in the church hurting that remain largely unministered to by others.

    Do you know how beautiful and strong a witness these people can be against abortion if we did the right thing and helped them understand the forgiveness, the beauty and life and grace of Christ? Like the one lady I mentioned earlier...once she got that through her head she just blossomed. She ended up going to a place that offered a memorial type service and got some relief from the guilt, learned to accept the COMPLETE forgiveness that can be found in Christ, and is now a witness for our Lord concerning the lives of our precious unborn.

    Nobody deserves to be killed, but nobody deserves to be made to feel like they can't be forgiven either. That's the opposite of what Christianity is, tough as that may be for the many who are very sensitive to the plight of the unborn. Please just don't forget that there's always a minimum of three victims in an abortion. One child, one mother, and one father. Whatever you may think of them. Christ offers no less grace to them than to you and your sins didn't cause him less pain on the cross, did they?

    Just think on it and please...please pray for your hearts to be softened towards the men and ladies who need SO much to discover and be able to accept the concept of complete grace and complete forgiveness.
     
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    I can take the personal out of this, and see it for what this operation was, a facility to eliminate poor, non-white babies. It is evil, and while Gina brings up good points, and we need to be reminded of them, I want to respectfully tell her that it is Christian to be shocked, and angry, and demand justice.
     
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    I am my brother. I am. It is an operation powered by sheer evil and deceit. Always has been, always will be. I don't know if we can bring about a stop to it. It may be that we'll need to wait for the ultimate justice that only God is capable of bringing about.
    I hate abortion.
     
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    That wasn't exactly who I was struggling with hatred about.

    I've known too many young and naive women who have had abortions at the insistence of the father of the baby, the grandparents of the baby, and the most of all the doctors who are just looking for a little chi-ching.

    The women that I know who've aborted their unborn babies were co-erced and lied to. Doctors tell young girls that they are "too small" to have the babies and the grandmothers and the fathers go along with the lie because they are petrified of responsibility.

    I've seen it too many times.

    The adult women that I know who had abortions when they were teenagers suffer tremendously from adult on-set guilt. I've counseled some of these women and you will never know the self-hatred that they have.

    Am I trying to excuse their behavior? No. They are guilty. But unless you've seen the family dynamics at play, people tend to forget that the decision is thrust upon these young women sometimes and they are led into making decisions that they will later deeply regret.
     
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