A hilarious presupposition!

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  1. ScottEmerson

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    From the link that A-A provided earlier:

    QUESTION: If there is a perfect Bible in English, doesn't there also have to be a perfect Bible in French, and German, and Japanese, etc?

    ANSWER: No. God has always given His word to one people in one language to do one job; convert the world. The supposition that there must be a perfect translation in every language is erroneous and inconsistent with God's proven practice.

    EXPLANATION: This explanation comes in three parts: the Old Testament, the New Testament, the entire Bible.
    (1) The Old Testament:
    It is an accepted fact that, with the exception of some portions of Ezra and Daniel, the Old Testament was written in Hebrew. It is also accepted that it was divinely given to the Jews.
    Thus God initiates His pattern of operation. He gave His words to one people in only one language.
    God, apparently unintimidated by modem scholarship, did not feel obligated to supply His words in Egyptian, Chaldian, Syrian, Ethiopian, or any other of the languages in use on the earth at the time the Old Testament was written.
    The Old Testament was given exclusively to the Jews. Anyone desiring the word of God would have to convert to Judaism. Ample provision was made for such occurrences.
    (2) New Testament:
    It is also an accepted fact that the New Testament was written in Greek. Koine Greek to be exact. Again, the Lord apparently saw no reason to inspire a perfect original in all of the languages of the world extant at that time.
    Only this time, instead of giving His Book to a nation, such as Israel, He simply gave it to the Christians who were told to go out and convert the world. (Matthew 28:19) His choice of Greek as the language of the New Testament was obvious in that it was the predominant language of the world at the time.
    (3) The Entire Bible:
    It is obvious that God now needed to get both His Old Testament and His New Testament welded together in a language that was common to the world. Only English can be considered such a language.
    The English language had been developing for many centuries until the late sixteenth century. About that time it finally reached a state of excellence that no language on earth has ever attained. It would seem that God did the rest. He chose this perfect language for the consummation of his perfect Book.
    First England and later the United States swept the globe as the most powerful nations on earth, establishing English in all corners of the globe as either a primary or secondary language.
    Today nations who do not speak English must still teach English to many of their citizens. Even nations antagonistic to the West such as Russia and Red China must teach English to their business and military personnel.
    Thus in choosing English in which to combine His two Testaments, God chose the only language which the world would know. Just as He has shown in His choosing only one language for the Old Testament and only one language for the New Testament, He continued that practice by combining those two testaments in only one language.
    But let us not forget the fact that, by choosing the English language, God has given us a mandate to carry out the great commission. He did not give us a perfect Bible to set placidly on the coffee table in our living room to let our guests know that we are "religious". He did not give it to us to press a flower from our first date, or to have a record of our family tree. He gave it to us to read! And to tuck under our arm and share with the lost world the good news of Jesus' payment for sin that is found inside.
    Let's get busy!

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    http://www.chick.com/reading/books/158/158_07.asp

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  2. HankD

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    You forgot the Latin Vulgate (LV) started during the reign of Imperial Rome and holding sway over professing Christianity for nearly a millenia and a half. The first English Bibles were translations of this translation.

    However it seems that the same mistake is now being made wth the KJV as with the LV which led to the loss of the entire Scripture to the entire world through ignorance of 4th century Latin (which turned into Italian).

    The KJV (as good as it was and has been) is well on its way to the museums of the world to sit along with the LV as monuments to the Preservation of God's Word.

    Soon another will come on the scene, perhaps the Living Word!

    HankD
     
  3. ScottEmerson

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    My favorite part is: "The Old Testament was given exclusively to the Jews. Anyone desiring the word of God would have to convert to Judaism. Ample provision was made for such occurrences."

    The implication is that anyone who desires the word of God should learn English. lol
     
  4. Forever settled in heaven

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    ah yes, it had to be Sam Gipp again! woo hoo, what a scholar! :D :D :D

    true to form, he again excels in prevarication: "God, apparently unintimidated by modem scholarship, did not feel obligated to supply His words in Egyptian, Chaldian, Syrian, Ethiopian, or any other of the languages in use on the earth at the time the Old Testament was written."

    i believe any reader of Hebrew will find out immediately that significant chunks of Daniel n Ezra r written in Chaldean--precisely what Gipp denies.

    again demonstrating KJBO ethics in trying to prove the unprovable n the unbiblical.
     
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    I'm unspeakable! And to think that the English are God's Chosen people. How arrogant!! :rolleyes:
     
  6. Ed Edwards

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    [sarcasm]blessed be our lord
    and savior, Jack Chick [/sarcasm]

    OTOH, that is about as robust a
    doctrine as you will ever get
    from a comic book [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  7. HankD

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    OK I took a look at the site and clicked on :
    "Hasn't the King James Bible been revised?".

    They (whoever "they" are) minimize the "changes" and answer the question thus:
    They admit to spelling and textual changes and even give examples of substantive changes and then come to this amazing conclusion:

    After dismissing all the "errors" as minor when compared to the New King James "revision" (I'm not sure how this forgives the "errors" in the KJB) summing it up they say :
    Revise : 1. To look over something written in order to correct and improve.
    The Merriam Webster Dictionary.


    But of course the dictionary isn't inspired.

    This entire piece is a subtle and oblique back-peddling admission that indeed there are/were errors in the First Edition of the 1611KJV of the Bible. They also make an admission that the Original archetype document of the KJ Bible has been lost!
    So, they are in the same boat as the rest of us.
    No original autographs just "reliable" copies.

    Their own words...
    Indeed.

    Quotations are found at
    http://www.chick.com/reading/books/158/158_07.asp

    HankD

    BTW what ever happened to "things which are different are not the same?".
     
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    HankD: //BTW what ever happened to
    "things which are different are not
    the same?".//

    Tee hee! ;) Ditched to enhance the double standard.
     
  9. Pastor KevinR

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    Our Lord nowhere said anything at all about English. Let's keep the inspired Word where it belongs, in the Hebrew, Aramaic, and in the Greek. God is no respecter of persons..He has preserved His Word in any language where it is accurately translated, whether it is English, German, French, Creole, or Pig Latin (just kidding on that one :eek: )
     
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    As usual, Minister of Misinformation, The Gipper, has done it again. First, all ISRAEL-not just the Jews-received most of the Old Testament. Moses was a LEVITE, not a Jew. The Levites didn't merge with Judah until after Solomon's death.

    Next, many people who used different languges heard God's word IN THEIR OWN LANGUAGES at the first Pentecost as described in Acts. And many people in what's now Asia Minor, where Paul went, didn't speak Greek. Also, we don't know if many NT Scriptures were ORIGINALLY written in Greek or not.

    And English is used only by perhaps 1/6 of the world's population. And for many whose primary language is not English, there are many nuances & subtleties that are not quickly learned by these people-not to mention the different dialects in use both among and within the nations. Not long ago, I lent a doctor from Korea, a new Christian, a KJV without thinking. He had a VERY hard time understanding the archaic language, and when he came acroff "suffer little children", he was horrified, & called me. I quickly rectified my mistake & lent him a NKJV instead, so the man could read a Bible with at least some understanding until his Korean-language Bible that he'd ordered, arrived.(He had been schooled in classroom English for 3 years, and said learning English was MUCH harder for him than learning medicine. But he understood it quite well enough to communicate with his patients with no problem, and to come to JESUS by HEARING the word of God preached in a local Baptist church.)

    Then there's the silly KJVO doctrine that English reached the pinnacle of linguistic perfection in the 16th century. English has simply changed over the years, same as has every other old language in constant use for centuries. Over the years, English speakers have modified the language to fit the times.

    It is notable that every English BV from the AV backwards was written in the best English of its day, and NOT in an earlier form. The English of the AV is much more modern that that of the Wycliffe Bible, for example.

    And when Dr. Gipp has been asked for Scripture promising a perfect Bible, he has set forth a long-winded "explanation", because THERE IS NO SUCH SCRIPTURE! Like every Onlyist whose doctrine has been proven false, he plays "scared octopus" and emits a cloud of ink.

    A little aside-The onlyists holler about the newer BVs being copyrighted and sold for profit. Well, I can assure that every Chick tract or pamphlet currently made is copyrighted, and, while people may stand on street corners passing them out for free, I assure you that someone somewhere has paid Mr. Chick's corp for them, and that Mr. Chick makes money on each & every tract, pamphlet, or comic book printed by his corp.(I'm NOT saying this is wrong; Mr. Chick must provide for his family same as us. And doubtlessly, MANY people have been led to the Lord because of being first steered towards Him by a Chick paper. All I want to do is remind you that printers simply don't work for free, whether printing the NIV, KJV, tracts, or Hustler.)

    And while the Gipper gives GOOD advice upon READING one's Bibles, he is quite wrong in much of his narrative of history.
     
  11. USN2Pulpit

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    That blows the "one perfect language" theory right out of the water, doesn't it!
     
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    That blows the "one perfect language" theory right out of the water, doesn't it! </font>[/QUOTE]Yes, it DOES. And this is borne out by these Scriptures, straight from the 1769 KJV:


    Acts 2:6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
    7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
    8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
    9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
    10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
    11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

    And in that day, unlearned people such as today's KJVOs existed, as the KJV points out:

    Acts 2:12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?
    13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

    More excuses, much as today's Onlyists make.
     
  13. Dr. Bob

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    Anyone who gets their material from comic books should be ignored. It is not worth serious consideration.

    HEY, I just found so new information reading this theology book [​IMG]
     

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