A Killer Approaches you and a Group of friends/coworkers: What would you do?

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  1. righteousdude2

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    http://nypost.com/2015/10/06/ben-carson-i-wouldve-charged-the-oregon-shooter/

    Dr. Carson is catching a lot of PC shrapnel for his response to a question about what he'd do if he were in the room with a crazed killer readying to shoot everyone in there! He said he'd rally the folks to charge the potential killer, hoping to take that person sown in order to limit the damage of that killer's intentions!

    I think we either have a "fight or flight" moment, and what Carsons said makes sense to me! The folks on flight 93 over Pennsylvannia decided to do just that .... bull rush the bad guys, and in doing so, they may have saved a ton of lives that day, even though they perished in their attempt to do something other than sit by, and watch things play out badly!

    On a French commuters train last month, three American young men decided to bull rush the would be terrorist before he could open fire on the train and kill a ton of folks too!

    So my question to you is .... would you "fight or "take to flight?" With the possibility of things like Roseburg and Sandycreek going to continue in this country for the unforeseeable future, are Carson's words something more Americans need to start thinking about should the unfortunate situation happens to them at a school, mall, church or anywhere a group of people have assembled? Should each of us a plan, and would it be wrong to implement that plan if worse-came-to-worse? What do you think?

    As for me, ever since 9/11, I've never gone anywhere without surveying the people and the place, and having some kind of action plan in the back of my head! I would hope that if faced by this situation I could, then have the courage to implement that action plan for my good and the good of many others!
     
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  2. Sue-Ellen

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    I would fight! I would not go down without a battle. I realize that I may not make it through it but I would do my best to get others through it. I would try to get as many people safely away as I possibly could.

    I do my best to always be aware of my surrounding when I go out. One can not be too careful or too trusting. Things like this are happening all around us. We need to be prepared!
     
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  3. HankD

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    Even if I came face to face with an enraged killer and he asked me if I were a Christian I would sock him one in the chops, Then, if I survived I would say - Yes, but I'm not a very good one when I fear for my life, would you like to turn the other cheek?

    Yes Dr Carson's answer is very appealing.

    Fight!

    HankD
     
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  4. Grayson

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    This is easy, I would shoot the moron. I carry everywhere I go so yeah, easy choice.
     
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    There is another choice beside fight or flight. It is freeze. None of us know how we would react in any situation until we were in the middle of it. Some might dive right in the fray, others turn and run and others could be paralyzed by fear.
     
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  6. dyanmarie25

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    I would definitely try to fight the killer. Win or lose, at least I have done something rather than just sit back and wait for that person to kill each one of us. If there's still a chance for you to save yourself, take it right away.
     
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    I'm with Padre, none of know what we would do until we experience such a situation. I hope I would have the guts to fight but there are too many factors to consider. I agree it is a good idea to check your surroundings just in case. The Air Force training I received has in that mindset.
     
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    Years ago, one of my team members needed me to make a field visit to one of her elderly clients (social services in Omaha, NE). The lady needed a new refrigerator, and it needed a supervisor's approval, which meant I needed to make a field inspection of the lady's home!

    Everything was going great until her drugged out son dropped by with another friend, and seeing me, a white man in their mother's home, caused them to go off. I was cussed out and called a bunch of racist and derogatory names. The sweet little old lady tried to calm her son and his friend down, but they were adamant, and the son pulled out a .45 and pointed it at my head! He said, "Honkie, you have 10 seconds to get out of my mom's house, and off this street if you want to live!"

    Well, my "fight or flight" kicked into high gear, and I ran out of the house, never looking back until I got in my car and drove off! I sent the cops out there and had him arrested, and I approved the lady for a new refrigerator. It was a scary situation, and to this day, I thank God my feet were faster than my beating heart! :confused:
     
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    I would pray, and fight. But we don't exactly know what we'll do when in a certain situation until we're in it.
     
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    I would not hesitate to take the life of a thug threatening me or my loved ones. I never leave the house without my carry piece. I am quite proficient in its use and will do whatever is necessary to stop the threat. I am too old to fight and too crippled up to run.

    "All men are created equal."

    "Sam Colt made them that way." :)
     
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  11. carpro

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    I'd shoot the killer.
     
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    I do believe one has to have training or have a back ground of some kind of being in a dangerous situation where you had to take physical action. When one is skilled in dangerous situations their training will take over as a reflex. Most people that has never been confronted with a situation like the op described will just freeze up. I personally would not hesitate to take action if my family,; wife, children, grand children was in danger. Their lives mean more to me than my own life does.
     
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    If I were with my friends in Tennessee I'd cover my ears because one or all of them would already be putting holes in the center of his chest.
     
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  14. Gib

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    Once a former church member had a serious beef with the pastor. He had physically threatened him several times. The sheriff stopped by the church to tell us to just be careful and alert until everything blew over. Well, it didn't. The man came to the church to find the pastor and had a shotgun in hand. I called a deputy as soon as I saw him pull up. My office was right next to the door and I didn't have any problems hearing him hit the door with the butt of his gun. It got real serious, real fast. I was paralyzed to say the least. I had a pistol with me, but never thought of digging it out of my bag thru the whole ordeal.

    He came around to my window and demanded I let him in so I could tell him where the pastor was. I shouted back I didn't need to open the door to tell him where the pastor was and that I called the deputy. I stayed, cowered under my desk until the deputies showed up. It took me along time to get over that.
     
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    Yes, absolutely.

    I was having a lunch conversation with an acquaintance this week and he brought up the issue of conceal carry. He has his permit, but he is unsure of himself reacting appropriately in an emergency. I recommended a training class on tactical thinking and situational awareness. I asked him, "How many doors are there to this restaurant's dining area?" He had to think about it. I said (without turning my head), there are three to the outside. I am facing two of the doors so I can see what it happening. The third door is to a patio area, so it is somewhat restricted, but that's my blind spot.

    He was surprised.

    I explained that when you make a practice of situational awareness, it becomes a habit and you assess each area nearly unconsciously - although you will have to evaluate new areas and complex situations consciously from time to time. Having a basic plan for some types of emergency situations can save yourself and others when there is little time to think.
     
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  16. Baptist Believer

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    As you learned, guns are not magic. Moreover, you have to have a plan for situations like that.

    That being said, the situation was resolved (I'm assuming) without anyone getting injured. Having the option of taking down a threat with a firearm does not necessarily justify using the firearm. More things can be resolved verbally. Pulling a firearm immediately escalates the situation to a lethal level. The fellow with the shotgun would have felt obligated to use it or surrender if he had seen you draw your weapon. Often, gunmen will not surrender to someone who is not a law enforcement officer, so it is going to be a potentially lethal situation.
     
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  17. Amy13

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    I would fight. If I'm going to die that day, then I'm comfortable with where I'm going when my soul leaves this world. I might as well try to stop the killer and keep others safe, I'm not going to run or stand there and go down without a fight.
     
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