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A Literal 1000 Year Kingdom?

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by Lacy Evans, Sep 30, 2004.

  1. Craigbythesea

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    The Bible does not answer any of these questions [​IMG] . That's why there is so much vain babbling about them :eek: .

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  2. Craigbythesea

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    You have got to be kidding!!! They never show up until you do something they don’t like. :D
     
  3. Lacy Evans

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    I liked your question/slip, "Did I miss something" too! :D :D

    lacy
     
  4. Lacy Evans

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    If millenial exclusion is true, it will be alot more than 1000 tears.


    But then again it does explain who has been crying during Christ's earthly reign.

    lacy
     
  5. Lacy Evans

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    Craig? Who and what are you referring to?
    :confused: :confused: :confused:
    You haven't been eating my watermelon again have you?

    lacy
     
  6. go2church

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    Scripture says there are many antichrists, but I also believe there will be an antichrist or a man of lawlessness
     
  7. Dr. Bob

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    So satan is imprisoned 1000 years. Pretty clear.

    Authority during this 1000 years was given to tribulation martyrs.

    This reigning coincides with Jesus reign which is 1000 years.

    Conclusion: Rev 20 speaks of 1000 years in which martyrs will reign with Jesus Christ. That sounds like a millennial (1000) kingdom of Christ to me.
     
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    [​IMG] , Dr. Bob.

    Bro Tony
     
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    Amen, Dr. Bob. [​IMG]
     
  10. Craigbythesea

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    I was referring to our dear and precious moderators [​IMG] that you were crying out to for help. I think that one came along and deleted my quote from your post so that my post made no sense. Since the moderators don't think that I make any sense any way, I guess they thought that was OK. :D

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  11. DeaconLew

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    I believe that there will be a literal 1000 year kingdom. That can be seen through prophecy (allow me to go on).

    Genesis The Lord said "...thy seed shall bruise his head..." (When?)
    David said (and is repeated in Hebrews) that there is a day of rest for the people of God. Rest implies a season from work, hence you have to have been doing some work to rest. (when?)
    God worked six days and rested on the seventh day.
    Daniel 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a KINGDOM, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever (how long is for ever). 45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure. (Paul said in Hebrews that Abraham looked for a city which hath foundations whose builder and maker is God; sounds like a foundation that God is going to build on).
    Jesus said blessed are the MEEK for they shall inherit the earth... (when?)
    The angel told Mary that Jesus would sit on the throne of David his father (when?)

    I believe that there will be a literal 1000 year king that will not be interupted by anything during that time (for ever). Further more, as the scriptures so plainly declare, I believe that entrance into it is conditional based on our response to God's ability.

    -DeaconLew
     
  12. Jensen

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    THe number 1000 may be used figuratively...

    Deuteronomy 7:9 "Know therefore that the LORD your God is God; he is the faithful God, keeping his covenant of love to a thousand generations of those who love him and keep his commands."

    ... So God is only faithful to love 1000 (not 1001) generations?

    Psalm 50:10 "for every animal of the forest is mine, and the cattle on a thousand hills."

    .... So God does not own the cattle on the 1001st hill?


    Also, what is Peter's eschatology?

    Raed through the following passage and note the 4 questions I have inserted. (I look forward to reading your comments).

    2 Peter 3:3-14

    3First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. [question 1: when are the last days?] 4They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation." 5But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. [question 2: when is the day of judgment?] 8But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. 10But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. [question 3: when is the day of the Lord?...is it the rapture? 2nd coming? Etc…] The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare. 11Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. [question 4: when is the day of God?...is it the same of the day of the Lord?] That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. 13But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness. 14So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him.
     
  13. Dr. Bob

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    When the literal sense makes common sense, all other sense is nonsense.

    The main NT text of the reign of Christ says 1000 years. Locked up. Rule with Christ. Very plain and very specific.

    No figurative, allegorical, mystical, spiritualized language. Just 1-2-3 fact fact fact.
     
  14. DeaconLew

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    [question 1: when are the last days?]
    Hebrews 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
    2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
    3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

    The "last days" began with Jesus' ministry. Since that time we have been progressing forward, and faster through them to the culmination of his appearing.

    [question 2: when is the day of judgment?]
    The day of judgment that Peter is referencing is the "Bema Seat" or Judgment Seat of Christ. 2Corinthians 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
    9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
    10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
    11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men...

    The judgement of believers is what Peter is refering to.

    [question 3: when is the day of the Lord?...is it the rapture? 2nd coming? Etc…]
    The day of the Lord can best be seen in the following scriptures. (Let God be true and every man a liar [me included])
    Joel 1:15 Alas for the day! for the day of the LORD is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come.

    Isaiah 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

    Isaiah 13:13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

    Zephaniah 1:18 Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the LORD's wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land.

    The day of the Lord is the time when the Lord will destroy off of the earth that offends and setup his kingdom.

    [question 4: when is the day of God?...is it the same of the day of the Lord?]
    Isaiah 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

    Jeremiah 46:10 For this is the day of the Lord GOD of hosts, a day of vengeance, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: for the Lord GOD of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates.

    2 Peter 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

    These are all refering to the time when the Lord will appear to destroy the AntiChrist and all those that offend off of the earth and to setup his kingdom.

    -DeaconLew
     
  15. Lacy Evans

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    Amen Bro Bob,

    Guys it's just English! It is not that hard to tell when someone is speaking figuratively. To disregard the Book of Revelation because sometimes God speaks figuratively is a dangerous practice. We are promised a blessing for studying Revelation. As my 8th graders would say, "Don' be all scert" (Scared)

    lacy
     
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    So it makes common sense that some angel with a key and chain will come and bind up satan underneath some mystery door somewhere?

    What are the battles in Revelation 16:14-16 and 19:19? Are they not the same battle we see in Revelation 20:8?
     
  17. Lacy Evans

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    Absolutely. There is no indication that anything here is figurative.

    lacy
     
  18. James_Newman

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    Does God sit on a literal throne in heaven? Is Jesus Christ literaly at the right hand of the Father? Amen! There is a literal chain that God can literaly bind Satan with for a literal thousand years. I don't know what it is made out of, but it probably isn't anything you can buy at Home Depot.
     
  19. DeaconLew

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    Amen!!
     
  20. Jensen

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    How can a chain contain a spiritual being?

    DeaconLew responded to my passage from 2 Peter. He pointed out that the "day of judgment" is the the judgement of believers... what about the the way the entire phrase is worded? "the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men" ... these sound like the same event. I may be dumb, but I must have missed the 1000 years gap between them somehow? Maybe its my translation????

    Also, the "day of judgment" and "the day of God" must refer to the same event? They have immediately following them the same things - the destruction of the "heavens & earth." This day "comes like a thief".... Is not Christ coming back like a thief in the night? So this the Second Coming...right! I still did not read of a 1000 year gap in here anywhere.

    I guess that Peter was on vacation the day they were handing out those Scofield reference Bibles?
     
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