A little "end time" confusion (Who is leaving?)

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  1. menageriekeeper

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    This morning the preacher was preaching about money. (new building campaign coming up) During some of the more unapplicable to me portions of the sermon I got to reading the scripture around the topic passage (which he stretched a bit imo to fit). While doing so, I read a passage I've read more than once but again found something I hadn't considered. Here's the passage:

    So here's the question: Who is leaving. Are Christians going to be raptured out as suggested else where in scripture OR are the "tares" leaving as described in this passage? How do we reconcile these two seemingly conflicting views of the end of the world?
     
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    The rapture is the last day...both grow together till the harvest.

    The white throne judgement;
    Simple.....one is taught in the bible. the other is not!
     
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    So we are all leaving?? (in order to be divided at the Great White Throne?)
     
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    Yes..we are..on the last day...
    28Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

    29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
    :thumbs::applause:
     
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    Look at verse 39.
    That is talking about the end of the world, not the time of the rapture or the time of the return of the Lord.
     
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    Correct. The Rapture is before all this, at the beginning of the Tribulation, in my opinion. Of course I am dispensational in my eschatology.
     
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    Is this a picture of the rapture?
    Or, is there room for the view that those who are taken are taken for judgment?

    Matthew 24 is generally not considered a pre-trib passage.
     
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    So easy to skirt around the obvious truth so long as you have your dispensational theology to fall back on.
     
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    Forgive my uneducated hodgepodge of biblical theology. I guess I should have never read Ironside, Ryrie, McGee and the like.

    Why does it bother you that I hold to dispensationalism?
     
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    We who are of the Church, the Bride of Christ, are a kind of "firstfruits".
    The main harvest comes during the Tribulation (see Rev. 14:1-7).

    The 144,000 are (genetic) Israelites - 12,000 from each of the 12 Tribes.
    And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty [and]
    four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
    Rev 14:1,

    These are the redeemed (genetic) Israelites for the Father.
    As opposed to the Gentile Bride of Christ which is for the Son.
    During the Tribulation, the (genetic) Israelites will fulfill the Great Commission -
    become a "light unto the Gentiles" and carry the Tribulation Gospel of Jesus
    to the ends of the earth. They will be endowed with supernatural power
    as were "the twelve" (genetic) Israelite disciples/apostles. Those Gentiles saved
    during the Tribulation will face certain martyrdom. see Rev 14:13 & 7:14

    And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they
    which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made
    them white in the blood of the Lamb.
     
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    There will be people who will live on into the Millennium.
    Those who are taken are taken for judgment post-tribulation.
     
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    In Response to the Who? Not As Many....

    .....as the world and the church may think!

    SEE: Matthew 7:12-15


    Pastor Paul, with
    Get on the Path Ministries! :flower:
     
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    Well the passage says the end of the world! What what is the truth if that is not it?
     
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    Truth obvious like as in the covenants of works, redemption and grace which of course have wide acceptance among the awsome cool reformed but zilch in the way of clear Biblical proof.
     
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    Let me see if I understand what's being said:

    The dispensationalists believe that this division occurs AFTER the rapture and tribulation time and describes those left on earth, nonChristian and those who were converted during.

    And the rest of you believe that this event happens practically simultaneous with the rapture and the Great White Judgement seat event? (and perhaps deny there is a rapture at all?)
     
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    Dispensational theory has mt 24 describing the rapture , then a 7 yr tribulation, then a thousand yr millenial kingdom/
    Others have it at the last day as Jesus said.
    Those who do not follow dispy ideas...see Mt 24 as fulfilled in 70ad.

    Mk sometimes the "end of the world" is the "end of the age"...the end of the Jewish age:wavey:
     
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    RS...
    Those men are fine to read, but there are many other men who have contended with that view.Read the other men also:wavey:
     
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    Mean spirited posts like this are completely unnecessary and lack the level of maturity that is needed to carry on adult conversation.
     
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    Was meant to be accusatory not mean spirited. I've seen this all too much - a reliance on a theological system rather than Scripture (even if I believe that theological system is right). Instead of answering the question w/ Scripture, he feel back to his system of a rapture and concluded something that he contended was not in the text. So it was meant to be given in the tone of accusation. And accusation is, in my opinion, not mean spirited but in the same realm as rebuke or correcting.
     
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    That is not biblical theology but systematic theology. And those theologians you mentioned wrote systematics not biblical theologies.

    What bothers me is not that you are a dispo. WHat bothers me is that you system interpreted the Scripture in question rather than the text or the reader or whatever. I don't even like it when people I agree w/ theologically do this. I've pointed this out to fellow posters here w/ whom I am in agreement.
     

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