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A New Law Intorduced in the House

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by 2 Timothy2:1-4, Mar 21, 2007.

  1. Dragoon68

    Dragoon68 Active Member

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    We have a polarized Congress that can't seem to put aside political positioning in order to continue supporting the President as he attempts to complete what they once resolved to accomplish. We have a large number of quitters among them ready to hand our enemy a victory by default.
     
  2. Petra-O IX

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    Congress is only representing the people that elected them, Why does the President not see that as a mandate.
     
  3. carpro

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    I believe I've seen this act before.
     
  4. Dragoon68

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    Yes, and we've also have lived it before!

    By the way, there's a great article on Bud Day in the June 2007 issue of Vietnam that just recieved. He has a few things to say that relate to this topic.
     
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  5. Dragoon68

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    It's becoming increagingly difficult to view Congress as represently anyone but themselves and, perhaps, our enemies.

    Regardless, they did - as a body - give the President a mandate in a resolution several years ago and then immediately set out to continue arguing about it. Even now they can't get their act together to define a better plan. Many of them don't want the responsiblity of doing that. They want to be able to critize - not perform the work. They do enjoy having hearings and spouting their opinions in the form of questions. Meanwhile, the President - and his part of the government - is busy trying to actually do something about the problems and deal with the various unknowns, mistakes, changes, etc. along the way.

    We can not expect resolution to long term issues if we change directions every two years. The war of terrorism is a long term effort. It requries determination, resolve, courage, and adjustment as needed to the specific challenges faced. Congress, I hope, knows that despite the politics but, I doubt, will change their ways.
     
  6. Terry_Herrington

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    The polls show just how out of touch you really are! The American people overwhelmingly want the U.S. out of Iraq. I believe this number will continue to increase until Bush is forced to withdraw our troops.
     
  7. 2 Timothy2:1-4

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    I find it interesting that the dems have the gaul to claim mandate after their derision of a mandate by the Bush administration after winning two elections. After both elections the dems came out and argued against any mandate the President might have as a result of the elections. Now of course when they win one they want to claim such a thing.
     
  8. Terry_Herrington

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    I fear that this is just the nature of modern day politics on both sides of the aisle, unfortunately.
     
  9. 2 Timothy2:1-4

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    I agree.:thumbs:
     
  10. Baptist in Richmond

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    Hey Terry!

    Sorry, I didn't see your comment.

    Looks like Screwtape was right, doesn't it?

    God's Blessings to you and yours, Terry - Happy Easter!
    BiR
     
  11. Dragoon68

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    I think I keep reasonably well in touch with what's happening but, hey, I am an alien in this world so I could be out of touch with it. Regardless, my own poll doesn't reflect it in the same way it's being presented. My poll reports that the American people want a real victory but just don't understand what it's going to take to attain it or are too busy following the latest hot gossip news to really think it out. Of course, they want it to be over - so does everyone fighting it - but what's not being asked are whether or not they're willing to accept the consequences of complete failure or not. The question can be asked a lot of different ways. Meanwhile progress continues to be made in the field but remains largely ignored in the media. It's the same old story.
     
  12. StraightAndNarrow

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    Define liberal.

    Victoria Toensing is a lawyer and partner with her husband, Joseph diGenova, in the Washington law firm, diGenova and Toensing. Her practice specializes in white-collar criminal defense, regulatory inquiries, and legislative advocacy. She claims "particular expertise in high-profile, media-driven matters requiring special legal and press skills." She has appeared as a legal commentator on several networks such as CNN, Fox News, and MSNBC

    Background
    Toensing graduated from Indiana University (where she was a member of Alpha Chi Omega sorority) in 1962 with an education degree; she taught high-school English until she entered law school. She received a J.D. from the University of Detroit Mercy School of Law in 1975, embarking on a career in the U. S. Attorney's office. In 1981, she became Chief Counsel to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, where she helped draft the Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982.

    In 1984, she joined the Reagan administration as a Deputy Assistant Attorney General, where she headed the "Terrorism Unit," the first working group in the Department of Justice to investigate and prosecute terrorism-related crimes. As part of her work in the DoJ, she managed the government's legal efforts during the terrorist hijacking of TWA Flight 847, the bombing of Pan Am flight 103, and the takeover of the cruise ship Achille Lauro. She also supervised S&L fraud cases, prosecuted nuclear industry regulation cases, securities fraud, and fraud and bribery in the banking industry. In 1988, she entered private practice.
    Victoria and her husband Joseph have represented Republican Representative Dan Burton.

    Involvement in Monica Lewinsky Scandal
    Toensing and her husband made regular appearances on television claiming that they were the target of investigations by Clinton Administration.

    Involvement in Valerie Plame Scandal
    Being one of the key people to help draft the Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982, Toensing has been retained by a number of media organizations to give commentary on the Plame Affair. In March 2005 Toensing authored an amicus curiae brief on behalf of Matt Cooper and Judith Miller, two journalists who were subpoenaed in the Valerie Plame investigation for refusing to reveal information obtained from confidential sources.
    In the brief, she argued that "there exists ample evidence in the public record to cast serious doubt as to whether a crime has even been committed under the Intelligence Protection Act in the investigation underlying the attempts to secure testimony from Miller and Cooper."[citation needed] She also contended that Ms. Plame didn't have a cover to blow, citing a July 23, 2004 article in the Washington Times which argued that Valerie Plame's status as an undercover CIA agent may have been known to Russian and Cuban intelligence operations prior to the article (by Robert Novak) that revealed her status as a CIA employee.[citation needed]

    Plame did have formal covert status in the CIA as she stated under oath.[2] and was confirmed by House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Henry Waxman, D-Calif. However, regardless of her formal status, the statute requires that the government take "affirmative" action to protect the agent's identity and that the government itself not have revealed her identity. Waxman, the committee's chairman, introduced into evidence a memo from the CIA Director, General Michael V. Hayden, affirming her covert status. This latter piece of evidence rendered the rebuttal testimony by the Republicans' witness, Victoria Toensing, irrelevant.
     
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  13. hillclimber1

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    Well we can thank the Good Lord, GWB's not swayed by polls. That is, I believe, a democrats forte.
     
  14. Bro. Curtis

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    Did you write these Wikpedia entries ?
     
  15. Terry_Herrington

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    Just wait and see. I bet we will be out of Iraq before the 2008 elections!

    I think that public opinion will continues to sour, and that this will cause people will to put enough pressure on Congress that a withdrawal from Iraq will be inevitable. At least I hope this is what happens, and believe me, I am doing all I can to hurry this along.

    Once 67 Senators are convinced, Bush's policy is doomed.
     
  16. Baptist in Richmond

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    Disagree - the "Decider" is going to keep us in Iraq until 2008.

    Regards,
    BiR
     
  17. hillclimber1

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    That may be so, but if it happens it will be a tragedy for everyone but the terrorists. Yes even you democrats.
     
  18. saturneptune

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    It seems to me if you want a Democrat to be elected in 2008, you would be all for the troops staying until after the election. Logic says a withdrawal would help the Republicans. (Like there is a difference between the two)
     
  19. carpro

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    How many Liberals does it take to win a war?

    How many of you Liberals does it take to win a war?
    Well how the hell can we tell? You won’t fight one anymore.
    You say that you support the troops, but the truth’s plain as your face,
    You’d pull us from the battle, march us home in full disgrace.
    You’ve no stomach for the fighting, got no mettle, got no pluck;
    If you ran this war on terror, we’d be a very well plucked duck.
    The wolves of Jihad smell your dread, can smell your craven breath,
    And emboldened by the fear they scent, lust for our bloody death.

    SNIP

    So how many of you Liberals does it take to win a war?
    Or is there simply nothing you believe worth fighting for?
    How is it that you’ve never learned, like most when they grow older,
    That appeasing badness is a bad idea, only makes the bad guys bolder.
    Has your fear of spilling human blood made you Jihad’s useful fools,
    Ignoring that their wolf packs never fight within the rules?
    By your demand we stay our hand, you weaken and you bind us;
    Forcing us to fight off wolf attacks with that hand tied behind us.

    Russ Vaughn
    2d Bn, 327th Parachute Infantry Regiment
    101st Airborne Division
    Vietnam 65-66
     
  20. hillclimber1

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    Great find carpro. Does the snip indicate there is more? Or is that the whole thing? Gotta save it.
     
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