A new twist to an intriguing family history

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  1. poncho

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    Many people know that Democratic presidential candidate 's father was from Kenya and his mother from Kansas.

    But an intriguing sliver of his family history has received almost no attention until now: It appears that forebears of his white mother owned slaves, according to genealogical research and census records.

    The records - which had never been addressed publicly by the Illinois senator or his relatives - were first noted in an ancestry report compiled by William Addams Reitwiesner, who works at the Library of Congress and practices genealogy in his spare time. The report, on Reitwiesner's Web site, carries a disclaimer that it is a "first draft" - one likely to be examined more closely if Obama is nominated.

    According to the research, one of Obama's great-great-great-great grandfathers, George Washington Overall, owned two slaves who were recorded in the 1850 census in Nelson County, Ky. The same records show that one of Obama's great-great-great-great-great-grandmothers, Mary Duvall, also owned two slaves.

    The Sun retraced much of Reitwiesner's work, using census information available on the Web site ancestry.com and documents retrieved by the Kentucky Department for Libraries and Archives, among other sources. The records show that Overall, then 30, owned a 15-year-old black female and a 25-year-old black male, while Mary Duvall, his mother-in-law, owned a 60-year-old black man and a 58-year-old black woman. (Slaves are listed in the 1850 census by owner, age, "sex," and "colour," not by name.)

    An Obama spokesman did not dispute the information and said that the senator's ancestors "are representative of America."

    Continue . . . http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bal-te.obama02mar02-story.html#page=2
     
  2. MicahJF612

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    If you had white ancestry in the United States in the 19th century, your family probably owned slaves. It was probably ignored because it isn't news, not because it's controversial.
     
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    If you had family in the United States in 1913 (regardless of color) they became slaves and all their children since have been born into slavery.
     
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    Yes, because you have been regularly whipped and beaten by your government.
     
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    Yep, alot of us have.
     
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    What's your point?
     
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    You do not know much about American history.
     
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    I believe - off the top of my head - that only about 6% of Southerns owned slaves
     
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    Without looking it up, that sounds nearly right to me. One needed to be able to afford slaves to buy and keep them.
     
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    No MicahJF612. For the most part - it was the rich who had slaves. Most folks in that day were poor.

    Slaves were quite expensive. A "prime worker" slave (young man in good health) sold for up to about $1900 in the 1860s. With inflation that would be more than $20,000 in todays dollars. Feel free to research it for yourself.

    Personally, I don't think the average Southerner (American) had any more to do with slavery than you or I have to do with abortion. We couldn't do anything about either since the Supreme Court declared both to be legal.
     
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    I guess the actual numbers depend on whether you count individuals or families as owners. In any event, the anti-Southern bigots usually counter that by saying: "Even so, the rest WANTED slaves."
     
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    THE BLACK SLAVE OWNERS

    By Joseph E. Holloway

    The majority of black slave owners were members of the mulatto class, and in some cases were the sons and daughters of white slave masters. Many of the mulatto slave owners separated themselves from the masses of black people and attempted to establish a caste system based on color, wealth, and free status. According to Martin Delany, the colored community of Charleston City clung to the assumptions of the superiority of white blood and brown skin complexion.

    These mulattoes of the old free Black elite did not attend church with the dark-skinned blacks of Charleston City. They not only formed congregations which excluded freedmen of dark complexion, but they only married among other mulattoes to “keep the color in the family.”

    Large numbers of free Blacks owned black slaves in numbers disproportionate to their representation in society. According to the federal census of 1830, free blacks owned more than 10,000 slaves in Louisiana, Maryland, South Carolina, and Virginia. The majority of black slave-owners lived in Louisiana and planted sugar cane.

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    ANTHONY JOHNSON

    Black slave owners have not been studied as a part of American history, rather as a datum to American history, and yet slavery as a perpetual institution is legalized based on a case brought before the House of Burgess by an African, who had been indentured in Jamestown, Virginia 1621 and was known as Antonio the Negro according to the earliest records. He later Anglicized his name to Anthony. Anthony Johnson was believed to be the first Black to set foot on Virginia soil. He was the first black indentured servant, the first free black, and the first to establish the first black community, first black landowner, first black slave owner, and the first person based on his court case to establish slavery legally in North America. One could argue that he was the founder of slavery in Virginia.

    Continue . . . http://slaverebellion.org/index.php?page=the-black-slave-owners
     
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