A New Type of Christian Political Discussion

Hmmm...

seems as if liberals now want to tone it down since their guy was elected.

Where were your Christian attitudes and Christian posts for the past few years? Some of you even now try to turn every comment critical of Obama toward some criticism of Bush. Is that what you mean by "more christlike"?

Christ knew a hypocrite when he saw one and didn't hesitate to point it out. He condemned sin always.

If that's what you mean by being Christlike, I'm in.

But I suspect it's just a liberal ploy to limit criticism of Obama ...sounds sorta like this may be the Christian liberal version of the fairness doctrine.

JMTC

 

I question the purpose of this poll. First of all as evidence by several statements herein, but one example will do:

is assuming 'that hyper conservatives' (whatever that means.... and isn't this a 'name calling which this thread purports to decrease?) haven't voted in the poll. There was no indication that one must make a statement ... that is a post to this thread... to indicate participation.

Isn't this a backhanded slap!


Oh, but I DO forgive you all!..... raying: Prayerfully.... not with a mocking laughfy face.

 

Yep!:thumbs:

The one who started this poll is both the one who leveled the biggest criticism of Bush and is currently crying about criticism of Obama.

 

Placing further offenses forward to the public/ posters:

The OP states:

The same person follows up with:

In other words..... it is 'conservatives'.... you fault and not really your own postings... I'm sorry but 'conservative' sounds like a catch all phrase which is used on this board just like 'liberal', on other posters for name calling, characterization, and sterotyping, which is open to a wide range of viewpoints and exceedingly few, if any persons, can be truely said to meet the criteria all the time.

But.......... I do forgive you.

 

You ever hear that story about the liberal and conservative being stranded in the middle of the ocean in a large row boat? The only way for the two of them to survive was to find middle ground, set their difference aside and work together to get the boat to the shore.

I think we as a nation are in this row boat. We can fight and all go down or we can work together and get out of the mess. What hope do we have if the Christians can't set the example and lead the way?

(you should have heard the whole sermon, trust me, it sounded a lot better in context... :laugh: :thumbs: )

 

There are just core biblical principles at stake that divide us. Not going to happen. We will not compromise them. These will be socialism/communism, abortion, and homose*uality.

 

Amen, that'll preach! :thumbs:

 

Further offenses continue in reference to the opening post of this thread:

The same poster submits in another thread at
http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=55304&page=2

In which he introduces new subjects and new targets which were not part of the OP in that thread, rather than discuss the subject; he targeted outside the subject matter.

The truth? .... You didn't address.....but attacked: Add this in the same thread:

I challenge him here and now to revisit that thread and document here the charges presented within that thread to back up his claims in that post 16/29. That thread has been closed.... so noone can alter their postings.... so prove where posters there degraded/bashed Obama.

Within this statement and against your own words, you change the subject from that of that thread to this whole political section: You included epithets which are infrequent, if ever, and most of which passed with the outcome of the election.... and were not included by any poster in that thread...... a false charge. You equated Real Christianity to that of hate and specifically 'hate Obama' ...... a charge wholly improper to introduced into that thread with no cause; you cannot substantiate within that thread.... and if you can find any proof on this whole forum..... I charge you to prove your charges.... with a simple posting of urls and quotes....as I have done within this thread regarding Christian behavior on the Political forum.

But....... I forgive you!
But......... niether do I trust you and I do question the sincerity of your motives till I see a satisfactory posting regarding these postings of yours which followed your bold statement of change. Either prove your allegations or retract specific statements where you see your fault...and prove your words with your works.

Otherwise....... I don't believe you, sir. :tear:

 

Forgiveness, but no trust???????? Amazing, isn't it, the amount of rage over debating if the Democrats or Republicans, or those that lead these two corrupt parties are better or worse. Both parties are run for the purpose of and controlled by self indulgent, power hungry thieves, rotten to the core in every sense of the word. They do not care about the American people.

What is the gap between these two pathetic entities when compared to these two parties and a Holy God? Probably about as big as the gap of the rich man and Lazarus.

 

I agree that there's corruption and misrepresentation in both parties, but not everyone is 'owned' by either...... even when they must identify to vote.
I think, calling or labeling a person something which he does not reveal or identifies differently can be just as perjorative as a racial slur. It brings nothing to the discussion... but it does serve to incite.

Yes, one may forgive..... but that does not mean one must trust: Trust is earned, or is given til it is broken and then, if it remains in a state of unfaithfulness in spite of promises and empty words, then it become irreparable: One may then forgive another, but the expectation is that that person is no longer equated as having integrity which agrees with his confession. It doesn't alter love..... but does alter one's position of respect in relationship to another.

 

In this context I can see your point. If a spouse was cheating, and the couple was going to try and save the marriage, it would take both forgiveness and trust. If the offended party said, I forgive you but do not trust you, the marriage might as well end. Sometimes the two are inseperable.

 

There are PERCEIVED biblical principles which divide us.

socialism/communism = not in the bible
abortion = the word is not in the Bible and biblical murder/life defends more than the unborn. Who gave the conservatives the biblical power to single out only the unborn and cal it God's will?

homose*uality = so far, from what I can see, it was the Liberal Obama voters who got this legislation to pass in Cali. You sure they are the enemy? You sure they are someone you can't work with? You sure they can't use your help? You sure these are godless people who have no stake in the Church or the cause of Christ?

 

That is a powerful truth... :thumbs:

 

This is off topic of the thread. However:

I really was referring to any relationship of trust.

However, regarding a married couple where one has broken trust or is unfaithful:

The one hurt, has the responsibility to forgive, but reality is that he may not be willing to restore relationship. Saying "I don't trust you." is not the same thing as saying "I will NEVER trust you." The first statement is the realistic acknowledgement of the broken trust and deep injury of hurt, which allows for restoration provided both are willing to take the time. The second statement cuts off the offending party from the hope of restoring the relationship.

Even if the hurt party is willing to restore the relationship of trust.... the party which committed the trespass must understand that what he did caused a great injury to the relationship which will take time to heal and accept his own responsibility for healing the injury which he caused, by proving himself accountable, truthful in all things, available at all times, and ever faithful, until such time as he finds trust is restored in full and he is accepted without question.

Forgiveness is easy: Forgetting is harder. Once lost, trust takes time to rebuild: It is a difficult decision for the one who was wronged to reenter into a relationship where he may be hurt again.... But, it is perhaps harder for the one who did the wrong, to accept his responsibility in causing the hurt, and patience and consistancy in the face of dispelling the doubts which were the injury his own disobediance, in the hope that the relationship can be restored.

On a board such as this..... there are relationships of respect which develop among posters ..... which is a form of trust. Some disagree amicably because they respect each other in their differences: They don't label each other. They respect each other's opinions.... which doesn't judge or call names. They speak to the subject of the thread...... and don't abuse each thread under a section of the board as though eachone was an open topic. Some are more concise, others more wordy: Personalities gravitate towards those which have similarities or who like the complimentary difference.... and gravitate away from those who are dissimilar in expression or imagery; Some seem to know it all when (I)they don't, and others resent them or think their being talked down too..... when this may not be the position of either (the reader may not be less in knowledge or position, and the poster may not intend to know it all.... as much as meeting his own troubling difficulties to be thourough and complete with his attention to details (my personal downfall.... ).

I cannot speak for other posters.... but I try to read everyones input and give their viewpoint consideration. Sometimes I will express my own. But nothing bothers me more than to see off topic, or posters accusing others of doing the very things they fill their own post with..... namely name calling, judging, global statements or absolute statements where none exist, and going so far off subject that the point of discussion gets lost in attacks or hi-jacks. I'm not free of these myself..... so I try to be aware in every posting.... and most things am except.... I do get excessively wordy------perhaps out of fear I've left something misunderstood, or hurt someone who might take my words seriously in an area which I wasn't clear or my uncertainty wasn't communicated well.

 

Good thoughts. The analogy I used was probably out of context.

 

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Look at the morals and political climate some 50+ years ago.
At that time what were called "liberals", or the Democrat party, were far more conservative than the so called "conservative " Republican party of today.

So tell me who has had to yield in "political compromise"?
In true compromise (I give a little, you give a little) a median status of opposing views is accepted by all; a situation where you get some, not all, of your desires, and I likewise.

However, there is no relation to a "median" compromise of the Ds & Rs of that half century ago.

The political & moral status of the country has steadily and consistently shifted left and continues to do so.

So don't talk to me of compromise!! That is nothing more than a liberal talking point that is used to try to make power grabs look palatable if accepted, and blame the right if not accepted.

All the past compromise has been one way, and with the present NEW administration AND congress, it peers as how it won't even be needed anymore, as they can just ram whatever down our throats.

So all you O worshipers and disgruntled Rs who wanted to "make a statement" can really feel elated now that you have sold our country to the highest bidder.

Right on Rev; it's time (past time really) to stop compromising, as that is a one-way street when dealing with those who desire the destruction of our nation!!!:tear::tear:

 

Then hold to your denial!

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As for this thread......

you made it a poll....
and don't require a post,......
yet judge whether others agree by an annonymous poll and only if they post.

A poll you author for a
request for agreement:



Consider this my final answer:
I don't make agreements with those who practice deception: There is enough to guard against with unintentional deception without fellowshipping with those who hold to their practice.