I was reading through another board, and I found this paragraph: "If there is no Creator, and therefore no moment of creation, then everything is the result of evolution. IF there was no beginning or first cause, then the universe must have always exisisted. That means the universe has been evolving for an infinite period of time --- and, by now, everything should already be perfect. There would have been plenty of time for evolution to have finished and evil to have been vanquished. But there still is evil and suffering and imperfection --- and that proves the athiest wrong about the universe" This was some attempt to disprove atheism. I find it quite logical. (and thats what atheist love to rely on) And no atheist had a worthy rebuttle on the board. So I am asking you.. What is your opinion of it? What flaws do you see in this staement? Is it something I should use in the future to counter atheist?