A problem with R&R

We had a "mainstream Bible believing president" and what did he bring us? Malaise and the Misery Index!

 

Marx and Engels got it half right. from http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/Marxism.html

A system of economic, social, and political philosophy based on ideas that view social change in terms of economic factors. A central tenet is that the means of production is the economic base that influences or determines the political life.


Under Marxism, outdated class structures were supposed to be overthrown with force (revolution) instead of being replaced through patient modification. It held that as capitalism has succeeded feudalism, it too will be removed by a dictatorship of the workers (proletariat) called socialism, followed quickly and inevitably by a classless society which governs itself without a governing class or structure. Developed in the 19th century jointly by two lifelong German friends living in London - Karl Marx (1818-1883) and Friedrich Engels (1820-1895) - it forms the foundation of communism.


Read more: http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/Marxism.html#ixzz23MvrAze3

 

LDS on Jesus and Lucifer

LDS on Jesus and Lucifer

http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/ldsteachingonlucifer.htm


This is discussed in the current LDS Sunday School manual for children ages 8-11:

In the premortal life we were spirit children and lived with our heavenly parents (Hebrews 12:9).

Jesus was the firstborn spirit child of Heavenly Father (D&C 93:21) and is the older brother of our spirits.

Lucifer, who became Satan, was also a spirit child of Heavenly Father.
Heavenly Father called a meeting for all his spirit children. At this meeting he explained his plan for us to become like him. . . .
At this meeting Heavenly Father also explained that on earth we would all sin and we would all die. Heavenly Father needed someone to be the Savior, to suffer for our sins, and to die for us so that we could be resurrected.

Lucifer wanted Heavenly Father to change his plan. Lucifer said he would save everyone by taking away their freedom to choose, . . . Lucifer also wanted all the honor (Moses 4:1).

Because he loved us (John 15:13), Jesus volunteered to be our Savior. He wanted to follow Heavenly Fathers plan and give the glory to Heavenly Father (Moses 4:2).

Heavenly Father chose Jesus to be our Savior. Lucifer was angry and rebelled against Heavenly Father (Revelation 12:79; Moses 4:34).
Heavenly Fathers spirit children had to decide whether to follow Jesus or Lucifer.

One-third of Heavenly Fathers spirit children chose to follow Lucifer, and they were all cast out of heaven. Lucifer became Satan, and the spirits who followed him became evil spirits, who try to get us to do wrong things. These spirits who followed Satan did not receive physical bodies.
All the spirits who chose Heavenly Fathers plan and followed Jesus in the premortal life have been or will be born on earth with physical bodies of flesh and blood.

All the children in this classroom chose to follow Heavenly Fathers plan and have been born on earth with mortal bodies. ("Primary 7—New Testament", Lesson 2, 1997, LDS children's manual for ages 8-11. [link])

 

LDS on lying

http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/contradictionsinldsscriptures_verses.htm#BookofAbraham2v22-25


God Cannot Lie

Book of Mormon

Ether 3:12

12 And he answered: Yea, Lord, I know that thou speakest the truth, for thou art a God of truth, and canst not lie.

2 Nephi 9:34

34 Wo unto the liar, for he shall be thrust down to hell.

God Commands Lying

Pearl of Great Price

Book of Abraham

Chapter 2:22-25

22 And it came to pass when I was come near to enter into Egypt, the Lord said unto me: Behold, Sarai, thy wife, is a very fair woman to look upon;

23 Therefore it shall come to pass, when the Egyptians shall see her, they will say—She is his wife; and they will kill you, but they will save her alive; therefore see that ye do on this wise:

24 Let her say unto the Egyptians, she is thy sister, and thy soul shall live.

25 And it came to pass that I, Abraham, told Sarai, my wife, all that the Lord had said unto me—Therefore say unto them, I pray thee, thou art my sister, that it may be well with me for thy sake, and my soul shall live because of thee.

 

Look, a lot of strange doctrine exits in Mormon and Catholic theology (Many would also say that of Baptist doctrine - if you were able to nail it down).

Yes it bothers me but as one poster said (or implied) we are not voting for the Pastor-In-Chief but for the secular positions of President and Vice-President of the United States.

IMO, the better questions therefore should be the ones concerning the underlying philosophical-politico ideology of the candidates. Republicanism (not the party) vs neo-socialism (or so it seems).

The religious question is secondary for me except for the intersection of religion and the question of innocent human life and when it begins along with the definition of marriage.


HankD

 

As a Christian, the concept of "innocent human life" baffles me.

 

It really shouldn't. It apparently doesn't baffle God!

Proverbs 6:16-19
16. These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17. A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18. An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19. A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Frankly I doubt that many of the politicians you admire and want to follow ever give a thought to the millions whose slaughter they condone and facilitate or to God who will surely judge them! Certainly the narcissistic sociopath Obama doesn't!

 

Isn't Joe Biden catholic ?

 

He would be neither a Muslim nor a Christian.

 

Roman Catholic!