A question about Calvinism

It is a favorite, particularly when they are just that, like...

If you think you dealt with what I actually said...your comprehension is lacking

 

double post

 

See this is at issue. You want to describe what you mean by faith by what the scripture is saying about faith. The thing is a calvinist will tell you that how you view faith is not how scriptures view faith. Faith is a gift a free gift given. The fact is you can't even receive that gift unless the Holy Spirit shows you that you need that gift. Once he does that the Holy Spirit will enable you to recieve that gift and use it as he wills. Now that is what a Calvinist is saying. Your saying that you all along have had the power to make the decision to accept faith or not based on your ability to understand what God is talking about. A Calvinist will say that you can't even comprehend God unless God first does something. A Calvinist will then tell you that it is you that rely on your ability to understand without total reliance on God who gives the faith to begin with. Just because a passage uses a word you use does not mean it means the samething you mean.

 

:tear::tear::tear::tear:

 

WD would probaby say :

Don't pull the Eph.1:4,5,11 card -- it doesn't support predestination.

Don't pull the Acts 13:48 card -- it doesn't support the Calvinistic doctrine of certain people being ordained to eternal life before they believed.

Don't pull the John 10:11-42 card -- it doesn't in the least mean what it says about Christ laying down His life for His sheep.

Don't pull the John 17:9 card -- it doesn't really mean that Christ was not praying for the world.

 

A big thumbs up....:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

Calvinist or not, proper context and understanding is needed. In Eph. 2:8-9, it is widely accepted by cal's and non cal's alike that the "gift" referred to is not faith, but salvation (you are saved through faith). The greek supports that notion, not the gift of faith.

 

You are right...I would say your interpretation of those verses does not support your view and is in error.

 

I remember reading of someone who once said, Don't pull that "day you eat there of" card -- it doesn't really mean thou shalt surely die!

 

Are you equating me with the serpent, Mr. TomMann?