A question for liberals

Discussion in 'Politics' started by KenH, Nov 18, 2010.

  1. KenH

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    Are you willing to have the U.S. constitution violated in the name if safety?
     
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    Posting multiple threads with the same topic is spam and against the board rules.
     
  3. Crabtownboy

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    No as I believe many of my past posts show.
     
  4. KenH

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    Thank you, Crabtownboy. :thumbs:
     
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    If we follow the COTUS, we will in all likelihood be as safe as any nation can be. It is when we go astray from that document that our safety becomes suspect. For instance, elimination of personal weaponry -- intended to allow free citizens the right to protect home and state -- will distinctly hamper our safety, even against our own government.

    We have to recall that our Founders and Framers wrote that document while they were extracting themselves from under the rule of a tyrannical king who could do what he wished with whomever he wished by his word along.

    Over the years, we have (mistakenly) allowed our government officials to draft into law provisions that violate the ideals and letter of the COTUS, and in large part, they have re-constituted the tyrannical kingship that we fought to escape. Government now dictates to the people what they can or cannot do -- thus hindering our ultimate freedom to act in ways that preserve our safety.
     
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    Well said, glfredrick. Well said. :thumbs:
     
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    How does submitting to airport security screening make me unsafe?

    Perhaps everyone boarding a plane should be allowed to carry firearms?:tonofbricks:
     
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    Targus, you are sort of setting up an either/or dichotomy, where we either subject ourselves to every proposal of government and totally loose our freedom or anything goes, including carrying arms on airplanes.

    There is a whole bunch of ground between those polar opposites.

    But, if I had to choose, I would prefer that we be an armed society at all times, but there are some places where the use of hand weapons is ill-advised, and planes are one of them. I've sat on planes with stupid passengers who would shoot someone if they could just because they didn't get their way. :BangHead: But, that being said, if we were armed in general, I expect that our society would be a whole lot more polite in everyday dealings! :thumbsup:
     
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    True, but what is the best point on the spectrum.

    To me the inconvenience of the security screening at the airport is no big deal - especially when weighed against the possible saving of innocent life that could be lost by allowing a terrorist to do his worst.

    I spent my highschool years living in the inner-city of Detroit where a lot of bad people and jerks in general carried guns. The result was Detroit was tagged as murder capital of the world.

    Kids kill kids over nothing.
     
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    Note that only the bad guys seem to have the tools...

    The rest of us are fodder for their feeding frenzy.

    But in any case, we're starting to drift from the OP premise, which was not just about airport security or firearms carry.

    I've seen, in general across America, a need for safety and security that now trumps both common sense and individual rights or liberty. Under the guise of safety, we have an entitlement program that truly will be the demise of this nation if we continue along the path set by Lyndon Johnson with his "Great Society" worldview. We have now spent ourselves to the brink of bankruptcy, and we're already bailing out the rest of the world, who if allowed to go belly up will halt all world commerce, effecting us as well. Worse, for all the trillions of dollars spent on entitlements (and I'm not counting out the fact that there are some TRULY needy people that we should help!) we have not "improved" our inner cities, halted drug use, slowed illicit sexual expression, or even generally made life better for people.

    Our greatest threat to "safety" and "security" rests squarely on our national debt. The Bible says that "the borrower is slave to the lender..." and our government, no longer responsive to the will of the people, has caused us to become enslaved to whomever holds our debt as a nation. We still "feel" free because (so far) no one is forcing us to do things we really don't want to do, but from what I can see that is subject to change, and rapidly at that. In the next decade, we will almost surely see our taxes eat up 70% or more of our income, and we'll not have much safety or security when we no longer have free money to spend on things above basic necessities (or even the means to purchase those without a struggle).
     

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