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Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by leenies, Jan 30, 2007.

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  1. leenies

    leenies New Member

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    I have a question and I hope someone can help answer it.

    If a married woman goes to a couple wanting to "swap" partners, would that be adultery according to Matt. 5:28.

    leenies
     
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    of course...
     
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  3. leenies

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    The reason I am asking, the Bible says, "if a man".

    leenies :flower:
     
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  4. Scarlett O.

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    (Blech!!)

    Jesus said, in Matthew 5:28, that if you just entertain the thought of having sex with someone that you aren't married to, then that is adultery.

    I would say that the women in question here has committed adultery in her heart, according to Jesus' words, long before she ever went to that particular couple to swap partners because obviously she has thought about that particular man in making a decision to choose that particular couple.

    She is guilty of the sin before she approaches them.
     
    #4 Scarlett O., Jan 30, 2007
  5. Scarlett O.

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    Oh.....

    Yes. The bible speaks in generic terms alot. Jesus is not talking just to the men.
     
    #5 Scarlett O., Jan 30, 2007
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    Remember that, in the first century, women weren't considered fully human by the culture Jesus worked within. Well, maybe not as human. That's why some of the things He did and said were so revolutionary -- speaking with a Samaritan woman, for example, and forgiving the woman caught in adultery.

    In fact, the early Christian church considered women as important to the Kingdom as men, and many were in fact in leadership positions.
     
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    I guess I will be the one to ask the unasked question. Why do you want to know, leenie?
     
    #7 Chemnitz, Jan 30, 2007
  8. leenies

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    :wavey:

    I know of a person that is questioning this very thing (not me). They are trying to push this off as fornication. Now, I know it is a sin either way and a sin is a sin (except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit). I just want to make sure I am going in the right direction, and just because it says "man" it also includes the female gender.

    leenies :flower:
     
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    Ok, well I think the thing to remember is that the commandment as it is given in Exodus is given to all the people as 'do not commit adultery.' Since, it is given to all people it applies to both sexes. Therefore, it is legitimate to read in an implied vis versa for women in Matthew 5:28.
     
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  10. I Am Blessed 24

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    She can't pass it off as fornication because she is married.

    The generic term, as Scarlett has already said, refers at times to both men and women (as in this case).

    Is this woman a Christian???
     
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  11. leenies

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    That is the sad part...yes, she claims she is. Only God knows her true heart.

    leenies :praying:
     
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  12. Scarlett O.

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    Let's just say for the sake of argument that is it fornication. How does she rate fornication as being acceptable?
     
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    She thinks adultery is something people can't receive forgiveness for and the people that commit it can't possibly have (receive) the gifts of the Spirit. As far as she is concerned they are "dirt". I am trying to show her that even the thought of something like that is adultery, a sin, just as fornication is a sin. In God's sight they are sin, period. I beleive she thinks fornication might be like a "white lie", which is also a sin. I hope this makes sense!

    leenies :flower:
     
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    It's hard to believe anyone who claims to be Christian would even be ASKING about this!

    Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.
    Heb. 13:4

    And if the commandment only applies to a man, ref. earlier in the thread, who is that man going to commit adultery WITH?

    Sex is to be within the confines of marriage and ONLY then. It is the only picture God has given us of His relationship with us. He enters us and a new life is given. There is no other physical picture of that other than sex. And that is probably one reason Satan has done everything in his power to corrupt and pervert anything related to that topic.

    edit: saw the part about it could not be forgiven. Only one sin cannot be forgiven, but forgiveness is also predicated upon repentance and apology, see 1 John 1.
     
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    leenies, this verse that Helen brought up should explain it all to her. If she really is a christian, then it should shame her into obedience.

    There is nothing wrong with being shamed by God's Word if it creates a clean living in a christian. I've been ashamed of myself when reading scripture and this woman sounds like she is either not a christian or is a christian who needs to be humbled and shamed. Then she can fall into the forgiving arms of God and begin anew.

    To tell the truth, I think she knows the truth.
     
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    To tell the truth, I think she knows the truth.

    I think she does too, I also think she might think people will look down on her if she actually had committed adultery.

    It's hard to believe anyone who claims to be Christian would even be ASKING about this!

    Why? Exodus (Ten Commandments) did not come to my mind at the time of the conversation. I wish it had, it is something I should have remembered. It is so obvious! :BangHead: lol

    Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.
    Heb. 13:4

    This is exactly what I was looking for...thanks!

    leenies :flower:
     
    #16 leenies, Jan 31, 2007
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    This was so beautifully said, Scarlet O.
     
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    Duh! :eek: :( Yeah!

    Ed
     
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    I guess adultery is really bad but fornication is supposedly ok? :confused: :eek: {sarcasm} Sounds to me like someone is attempting to justify himself or herself, to me!

    Ed
     
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    Well said, Chemnitz!

    Ed
     
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