A Saviour unto Israel

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Esau in scripture is never referred to as an ethnic jew for one. So thats a lie.

They are the edomites ! Gen 36:9

And these are the generations of Esau the father of the Edomites in mount Seir:

Yes they were Two Brothers according to the flesh, but they were different nations.

Gen 25:23

And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.


The same with National Israel and Spiritual Israel, they were affiliated by the flesh, but they were Two different nations, Two different manner of People.

Abraham's Children of the Flesh are not the Children of God, but the Children of Promise.

Rom 9:8

8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.



Jacob as His Father stand for The Children of Promise. With The Children of Promise, ethnicity does not determine that.

Ethnicity, natural bloodline means nothing. The Israel of Promise Jesus describes as these Jn 1:12-13


12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

 

You are so unlearned, I do not really see any purpose to continue to speak with you.

It does not matter about the brothers being born of the same flesh parents. They were by the Purpose of God Two different Nations, Two manner of People.

With your lack of understanding, Ham was a Shemite, because they both had the same parents. No. Yes they did have the same Mother and Father, and all that, however by Divine Purpose, they were different people's.

I am not even going to spend time responding to you about this Issue, its plain to me that God has blinded you.

If anyone is paying attention, you rarely use scripture, because you cannot, you are bringing humanism to the table.

All that what you stated in your previous post was worthless, I knew all that,but it does not change a thing.. If you don't start bringing something with scripture and substance, you will be ignored. I know you are intimidated by me when it comes to scripture, and you should be.

 

The Hope of Israel !

Acts 20:28

For this cause therefore have I called for you, to see you, and to speak with you: because that for the hope of Israel I am bound with this chain.

Why did the Apostle unto the Gentiles, one we know that without a shadow of doubt that God selected him specifically to be a Messenger to the Gentiles, why did he say "for the hope of Israel, he is bound with chain " ?

Because the Israel he is speaking of is not the National Israel comprised of Ethnic jews.

Its the Israel that is comprised of All the Children of Promise from amongst the jews and the Gentiles.

This Israel shall be saved with an everlasting salvation ! Isa 45:17

But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

Looking back at Acts 20:28, What is this Hope of Israel ? Why its the Hope of the Gospel Eph 3:6

6That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

Col 1:5

For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;

Was this not Abraham's hope ? Heb 11:16, A Hope of a Heavenly City ?

Col 1:23

If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature

Col 1:27

To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

This Hope is the Hope of Israel Acts 20:28. Its a Spiritual Heavenly Hope for a Spiritual Heavenly People.

It has absolutely nothing to do with Abraham's Physical descendants in the middle east, His Children merely by the Flesh, for they are not the Children of God Rom 9:8

8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

 

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The object of Abe's Faith was His Righteousness, Jesus Christ His Promised Seed. Gal 3:

16Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

God told Abraham that He was Justified by the Righteousness of Christ, and that His Seed would be also Gal 3:8

8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

That word heathen is the greek word ethnos and is translated:

Nations and Gentiles..

Now what Nations was God speaking of ? They were the Nations that God had declared Abraham a Father of back in Gen 17:5

5Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

So God Promised Abraham a seed or Family who shall be Justified by Faith, among the Nations or the Gentiles..Thats why those of Faith are Abraham's Children Gal 3:7

Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

Jew or Gentile, does not matter, as long as they are of Faith ! They also are Israel that God promised to save !

 

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Merely having Abraham as a Physical Father means nothing, none of those people are the Children of God. Rom 9:8

8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

 

Physical jews of National Israel not God's Elect !

The problem with many in religion today is that they believe, because they are deceived, that Ethnic Jews, the Physical descendants of Abraham, called Israel, people believe they are God's Chosen or Elect People,but they are not, yes some of them were, just as some in the gentiles are, but the Nation as a whole was not God's Chosen or Elect People. Paul writes in Rom 11:7

7What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

Israel here is the National, and Ethic People of Israel, Abraham's, Jacob's Physical descendants.

Now God through Paul says that Israel has not obtained that which he seeketh after [ Righteousness before God] BUT BUT BUT the Election hath obtained it, They obtained it by Faith in Christ!

This makes it plain, that National Israel was not God's Chosen People !

Now who cannot see that Paul distinguishes Israel from the Election, which word means eklogē in the greek:


the act of picking out, choosing

a) of the act of God's free will by which before the foundation of the world he decreed his blessings to certain persons

b) the decree made from choice by which he determined to bless certain persons through Christ by grace alone

2) a thing or person chosen

a) of persons: God's elect


Its translated Chosen in Acts 9:15

15But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:

 

The Old Testament points to Christ and His Church !

Rom 10:4

For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

All the scripture, every last part of it was about Christ Lk 24:25-27


25Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:

26Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

27And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

The Law, and the prophets, and the Psalms Lk 24:44

And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

All of scripture in some way or other, by prophecy or prefigurement have Christ and His People [The Church] as it's subject ! All the OT Prophecies and promises to and about God's People are fulfilled in Christ, there yes and amen are in Him 2 Cor 1:20


20For all the promises of God[From the OT] in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

And since Christ is one with His body the Church, it also [The Church] fulfills the promises from the OT to God's People 1 Pet 1:10-12


10Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:

11Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

12Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

Notice vs 10, the grace that should come unto you ! This means in a nutshell, prophecies like Jer 31:31-34

31Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Which proclaims the Grace of the New Covenant to God's People, this prophecy finds it's fulfillment in Christ and His Church !

 

A Saviour unto Israel !

How is God a Saviour to Israel ? Because Israel is His Church purchased by His Blood Acts 20:28

28Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Paul said this in Acts 13:23,42

23Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:

Now gentiles heard this message and they invited Paul to come again the next sabaath to Preach unto them the same words Acts 13:

42And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

You know why ? because God was indicating that those Gentiles are part of the Israel, the Church that Jesus was raised up as a Saviour to, according to God's Promise !

Now Israel is the Church that shall not be ashamed Isa 45:17

17But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

Now Paul writing to the Church at Rome says Rom 9:33

33As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Now this is referring to being saved vs 27 Rom 9:27

27Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

Rom 10:11-13


11For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

12For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

So it is the Jew and Gentile Church saved in The lord Jesus Christ, who is the Israel of Promise in Isa 45:17


17But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

 

The Old Testament points to Christ and His Church ! cont

Nothing Trumps God's Eternal Purpose in Christ Eph 3:11

According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

You see, everything must be subservient to this Eternal Purpose in Christ !

Now within the Eternal Purpose of God, it was for National Israel to come into existence, to be a type of the Church, God's chosen people in Christ 1 Cor 10:6,11

6Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.


11Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

Notice Paul here speaking to believers who were a composition of both jew and gentile, is stating that OT History and the things that occurred to National Israel was for OUR [Jew and Gentile Believers] admonition and happened for examples or types . The greek word is typos.

Old Testament History and Scripture was written for the sake of the Eternal Purpose of Christ and His Church !

This confirms and agrees with Peter's statement 1 Pet 1:10-12

10Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:

11Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

12Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

Those upon whom the ends of the world or ages has come, and whom without, the OT Saints should not be made perfect !

This certainly connects the OT Saints with the NT Saints, which all make up the Body of Christ. The Church is the Perfecting of the Body of Christ which began in the OT with those Saints ! Without the New Covenant People the Saints, the OC People the Saints could not be Perfect Heb 11:40

God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

The Church was in the OT by virtue of Saved Jews, and it's Christ the Hope of Glory for them All, that is the Hope of Israel Acts 28:20

For this cause therefore have I called for you, to see you, and to speak with you: because that for the hope of Israel I am bound with this chain.

Now Paul says this even though He was especially Chosen and Commissioned to be an Apostle to the Gentiles !

Notice Gal 2:2

And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.

1 Tim 2:7

Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not ) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

2 Tim 1:1

Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.

But Paul could still say that, Hope of Israel was he in chains, because the gentiles were part of that Israel, and the Promises had been made to them as those to the Jews in Israel who were saved, So Paul writes Eph 3:6

That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body[ Church or Family], and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

Now what Promises are Paul talking about that the Gentiles should be fellowheirs ? Rom 9:5

4Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

5Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

Those Promises ! The same Promises in Christ that the Saved Jews, or Israelites had in the OT times !

This is the Hope of Israel, no not the Physical Jews of that Nation, but the Israelites indeed !

 

The Old Testament points to Christ and His Church ! cont

For this cause, the OT Prophets, when speaking of Israel's hope of the future, they used terms that they and their hearers could understand, but these things have now been explained by the Apostles,[ after they received the Holy Ghost]and their interpretation, showing that God's ultimate design or purpose has been fulfilled in Christ and the Church, His Body. The Nationalistic overtones of the prophets have been applied to that of the universal calling of both Jew and gentile in One Body Rom 15:8-12

8Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

9And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name.

10And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people.

11And again, Praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles; and laud him, all ye people.

12And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust.

This is the same reign as spoken of here Lk 1:33

And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Yes, it is the promise of the same reign ! Also the passage here Rom 15:8-12 is very similar to Rom 11, describing the grafting in of the Gentiles among the people of God, that is the people of faith of the Old Covenant !

 

The Church is Israel because She is the Circumcision !

Jesus told a woman a truth that many ignore today, and that is this Jn 4:22-24

22Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Jesus says here that Salvation is of the Jews, but He did not mean the Physical Jew or those Jews that were merely Abraham's Physical Seed according to the Flesh Rom 9:8

8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

No, Jesus means those Jews that were True Worshipers, those who Worshiped in Spirit and in Truth, which means they had to be born of God's Spirit, they had to have that circumcision which is of the Heart. Paul wrote of it here Rom 2:28-29

28For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

29But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Yes, that is the Jew that Salvation is of, only those who received circumcision of the heart.

Abraham had received it, Isaac also, and so did Jacob. King David as well !

The Phillipian Jailor received it who was a Roman Solider ! He became a Believer in Christ Acts 16:30-33

30And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

31And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

32And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.

33And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.

Now sometimes after this, Paul wrote a Letter to his converts in Phillipi and this is what He wrote Phil 3:3

3For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

Now compare that statement with #1 Jesus statement Jn 4:24

24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

And Paul's inspired words in Rom 2:29

29But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Yes, the Roman Soldier who was not an ethnic jew, was a Spiritual Jew which had received circumcision of the Heart or Paul did not include him in His statement of Phil 3:3 when he said to all believers there Phil 3:3

3For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

Notice Paul said that we are the circumcision and rejoice in Christ Jesus ! Now did not the Philippian Jailor after his conversion and his house rejoice in Christ Jesus ? Acts 16:34

34And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house

In fact, Paul more than likely had that incident in mind when He wrote that portion pf the Phillipian letter ! This is indisputable scripture evidence that non ethnic jews are recognized by God as Jews Spiritually, the circumcision which worship God in Spirit !

 

The Circumcision !

Phil 3:3

3For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

Now those of you that are not familiar with the Term Circumcision, it is another name for the jews or the Israelites. To be of the circumcision was to be a jew, a Physical descendant of Abraham. Remember when Paul was describing his ministry work as opposed to the other Apostles, James, Peter and John, whose ministry work was primarily to the Physical jews, He stated that his ministry was to the uncircumcision, the gentiles, but there's unto the circumcision, the jews ! Gal 2:9

And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

So Abraham's Physical descendants are called Circumcision, and Abraham's Spiritual descendants, Believers in Christ, no matter what ethnicity, are called Circumcision which is Israel, for that is the reason for Paul's comment of twain Israel's in Rom 9:6, and that's the reason for twain Circumcisions, and that is the reason for twain "seed's of Abraham" !

 

The Israel God Promised to Save is this One !

Gal 6:14-16

14But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

15For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

16And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

In the original it is :

ton Israhl tou qeou.

The Israel of God preceded by the definite Article TON ! This denotes the one and only Israel of God. This Israel's hope has nothing to do with ethnicity, physical circumcision, but rests upon vs 14 " the Cross of our Lord Jesus Christ" from which proceeds the New Creation. His Cross produces New Creatures, and that is who Israel is ! These belong to Christ and are the seed of Abraham Gal 3:29

29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


The Promise of Israel being saved Isa 45:17

But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

This Israel shall Glory In the Cross for it's Salvation, not their fleshly ethnicity, nor their circumcision !