A sin unto death...

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  1. Frogman

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    "If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it." I John 5.16

    Have any of you ever studied this topic?

    What is the "sin unto death"?

    What are your thoughts on this subject?

    God Bless.
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  2. Dr. Bob

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    What sin will usually result in physical death for the sinner who does it?

    Have heard things like "blasphemy" against the Spirit, reprobation, apostasy, or even some of the "big" sins (murder, adultery, etc)

    I have thoughts on it, though, relating to I cor 11 (passage read at communion today).
    Thinking there is a relationship here.

    Others?
     
  3. Frogman

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    Thanks for posting Dr. Bob,

    I was thinking along the same lines, this was referring to a sin which resulted in physical death. Such as in capital punishment cases.

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    I know this is quite lengthy but I agree with John Gill on his interpretation of the scripture... Brother Glen [​IMG]

    If anyone see his brother sin,.... Those who have such an interest at the throne of grace, and such boldness and freedom there, should make use of it for others, as well as themselves, and particularly for fallen believers; for a "brother"; not in a natural or civil sense, but in a spiritual sense, one that is judged to be born again, and belongs to the family and household of God, and is a member of a Gospel church; and so is under the watch, inspection, and care of the saints; and is observed to sin, as the best of men are not without it, nor the commission of it, in thought, word, or deed: and this sin of his is

    a sin [which is] not unto death; every sin, even the least sin, is in its own nature mortal, or deserving of death; the proper wages of sin is death, yea, death eternal; yet none of the sins of God's elect are unto death, or issue in death, in fact; which is owing not to any different nature there is in their sins, or to their good works which counterbalance them; but to the grace of God, and to the blood and righteousness of Christ, by which they are pardoned and justified, and freed from obligation to punishment, or eternal death, the just demerits of them: but how should another man know that a brother's sin is not unto death, when it is of the same nature and kind with another man's? it is known by this, that he does not continue in it; he does not live in the constant commission of it; his life is not a course of iniquity; that sin he sins is not a governing one in him; though he falls into it, he rises up out of it through divine grace, and abides not in it; and he has a sense of it, and is sorry for it, after a godly sort, loaths it, and himself for it; is ashamed of it, ingenuously confesses it, and mourns over it and forsakes it: now when any strong believer or spiritual man sees or knows that a brother has sinned, and this is his case,

    he shall ask; he shall pray to God for him, that he would administer comfort to him, discover his love, and apply his pardoning grace to him, and indulge him with his presence and the light of his countenance:

    and he shall give him life; that is, God shall give the sinning brother life; by which may be meant comfort, that which will revive his drooping spirits, and cause him to live cheerfully and comfortably, that so he may not be swallowed up with over much sorrow; or he shall grant a discovery of the pardon of his sin unto him, which will be as life from the dead, and will give him a comfortable hope of eternal life, of his right unto it, and meetness for it.
     
  5. rkbo

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    This is a great question. I have several commentaries and they all have difficulty with comming to a concrete answer to this. If they can't I'm sure I wont either but these are the things that are the most fun.

    Line upon line precept upon precept. We must figure out if he is talking to a christian or unbeliever. Is he talking about the death of the body or the body and soul being sent to hell?

    Also is it being implied that if you prayed for one that was sinning unto death that you might save him from death? Also is it a sin to pray this way?
    James 5:20
    20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
    (KJV)

    Does this verse fit in the discussion?

    Now I probably haven't shed any light but I know some of you fine folk have and other will. A little light from many can look like a forest fire.
     

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